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AiG trying to link reality to Genesis

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue May 08, 2018 3:07 pm

And no doubt conning stupid people - whilst inviting ridicule from everyone else for offering a SPURIOUS link:

https://www.facebook.com/GeorgiaPurdom/
"Watching pictures and videos of the ongoing Kilauea eruption in Hawaii are both fascinating and sad at the same time. People are amazed at how much destruction just this one volcanic eruption is causing. Yet, think about the massive destruction that was caused by the great deep bursting forth (Genesis 7:11) at the time of Noah's flood. It's not hard to understand the major role this played in causing a global catastrophic flood!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... a8544dc762"

I was half expecting some YEC fantasist to start gushing about this volcanism - which is destroying people's homes (but why waste a propaganda opportunity for the YEC version of Noah's Flood). After all a newsworthy volcanic eruption on US SOIL (like Mt St Helens) doesn't come along every day - or every year.

The ongoing events in Hawaii (earthquakes too which might be implied by Genesis 7:11) don't make me think of the 'one-off' event of Noah's Flood in Genesis (which says nothing about anything like sulphur dioxide). But I'm not a YEC propaganda merchant working for Ken Ham.

Stand by for some effusive comments on Purdom's Facebook post.
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Re: AiG trying to link reality to Genesis

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue May 08, 2018 6:54 pm

And this eruption in Hawaii isn't even explosive, it is effusive Dr Purdom. And Kilauea does not fit (as an analogy not a direct confirmation) with AiG's Flood PSEUDO-SCIENCE:

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/na ... rths-past/
"Contrary to conventional (slow-and-gradual) thinking in geology, present volcanoes are not the key to understanding the earth’s past. The volume of lava and deposits was much too large and catastrophic to be explained by today’s volcanic activity.
For old-earth scientists, the location of continental flood basalts above former mantle plumes is explained by slow-and-gradual plate tectonics theory, but Flood geologists point out that the volume is not explained. The conventional idea of a slow rate of mantle flow and plate movements cannot explain such huge volumes of basalt lavas. Indeed, they had to be generated and erupt catastrophically. Even using conventional long-ages dating, these flood basalts were produced in a veritable geologic “instant.”
This is another powerful example of evidence that can be explained by catastrophic plate tectonics during the biblical Flood ...";
'Catastrophic plate tectonics' is FICTION and is NOT supported by Genesis 7:11, which is about fountains being broken up or bursting forth, either:

https://answersingenesis.org/environmen ... e-ice-age/
"Genesis recounts a global, catastrophic event that would have dramatically changed earth’s geology, biology, and climate. Scripture says that “all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights” (Genesis 7:11–12).
The Flood described in Scripture was so massive that the very crust of the earth broke apart. Our planet’s original supercontinent broke into several smaller landmasses. Those new continents apparently shifted about, mountains thrust upward, great cracks extended tens of thousands of miles, and hot magma spewed up through volcanoes and cracks into the oceans. For months, seawater covered the continents and then retreated from the land. These processes produced so much heat that the average ocean temperatures climbed to over 100F (38C), much warmer than today.
This warm ocean set in motion a series of events that would lead to an Ice Age".
Everything in that para after the Genesis 7:11 quote is pure FICTION that is NOT in the Bible, as well as made-up pseudo-science (the only bit that is actually in the Bible is "for months, seawater covered the continents and then retreated from the land").

Mount St Helens in 1980 is no evidence for a historical recent 'global flood' just evidence for violent natural events. Kilauea is even less so if that were possible - the connection between effusive lava causing localised slow destruction right now in Hawaii and a Bible verse referring (apparently) to fountains of water rapidly breaking up or bursting forth WORLDWIDE is completely BOGUS.
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Re: AiG trying to link reality to Genesis

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu May 17, 2018 9:18 pm

Still trying. So what's the connection between the big recent eruptions on Hawaii and the 'Genesis Flood'? Look no further:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSU_8G9 ... O9g9W&t=0s (from 4 minutes 30 seconds in)

Spoiler alert - the main links are a legend of a fictional goddess Pele reaching Hawaii on a canoe, and that the reality of plate tectonics shows that God split up a single supercontinent during or just after the Genesis Flood ie Noah's Flood must have triggered ('catastrophically fast') plate tectonics - and we are observing the 'after effects' of that today. (Isn't historical creation science wonderful?)

And a CORRECTION for Ken Ham. Hawaii is not on the Pacific Ocean Ring of Fire. (But in fact there was an eruption today that has been described as 'explosive'.)
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Re: AiG trying to link reality to Genesis

Postby Brian Jordan » Sun May 20, 2018 6:53 pm

The Flood described in Scripture was so massive that the very crust of the earth broke apart. Our planet’s original supercontinent broke into several smaller landmasses. Those new continents apparently shifted about, mountains thrust upward, great cracks extended tens of thousands of miles, and hot magma spewed up through volcanoes and cracks into the oceans. For months, seawater covered the continents and then retreated from the land. These processes produced so much heat that the average ocean temperatures climbed to over 100F (38C), much warmer than today.
They even know the temperature then. How come - were they there?, to quote Ken Ham? Were there thermometers in those days? Anyway, surely they're not using the derided "historical science", are they?
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Re: AiG trying to link reality to Genesis

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon May 21, 2018 12:05 am

Brian Jordan wrote:
The Flood described in Scripture was so massive that the very crust of the earth broke apart. Our planet’s original supercontinent broke into several smaller landmasses. Those new continents apparently shifted about, mountains thrust upward, great cracks extended tens of thousands of miles, and hot magma spewed up through volcanoes and cracks into the oceans. For months, seawater covered the continents and then retreated from the land. These processes produced so much heat that the average ocean temperatures climbed to over 100F (38C), much warmer than today.
They even know the temperature then. How come - were they there?, to quote Ken Ham? Were there thermometers in those days? Anyway, surely they're not using the derided "historical science", are they?


I agree that they have double standards. Most of this is NOT in the Bible. But continental drift, orogeny and massive volcanoes really happened (usually gradually) in the past - so they must be forced upon the Bible text by these people. With some bogus added precision so as to make the pseudo-science and eisegesis appear justified and reputable.


PS And Vardiman supplied no supporting reference for his '100 F'.
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon May 21, 2018 12:55 am

Psst - that Hawaiian volcano is producing fountains of lava, and hydrochloric acid and steam in the nearby ocean, not to mention 'laze' and 'vog'. (The steam presumably is associated with localised seawater temperatures of 100 C rather than, obviously, 100 F.)

That current situation around the Big Island sounds almost biblical (when biblical means in accordance with how YECs read the Genesis account of the flood after putting on their 'worldview spectacles').
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