YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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Liar Gordons - I also, as requested, removed Gregg Davidson and David Bump and certain others from my email about Sorensen dated 5 July UK time.

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https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/07/an-ammonite-in-amber.html
''Some tinhorns will say that God is a liar and there was no Genesis Flood, but they are willingly ignorant.''
There was no global flood 4,500 years ago. That is the truth I keep repeating. To this unrepentant climate change liar. I agree that a big hill covering flood is mentioned in Genesis. Such a thing is impossible however - and there is no historical or scientific record of it. The story teaches about God's judgement of sin however.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/23/11345
''Aquatic organisms are rarely found in amber ...''.

Once again the meat machine known as Ashley Haworth-Roberts is misrepresenting the contents of the post and displaying his ignorance of the laws of gravity when he says that 'a big hill covering flood is mentioned in Genesis'. He is also lying by omission that the Noachian Flood is mentioned all through the Christian Bible which he disbelieves in the first place.[/quote]


Once again the incoherent fool liar and hate merchant Gordons is making a false and pathetic attack. I misrepresented nothing. Otherwise you would tell us what the 'misrepresentation' was.

And Gordons now appears to be DENYING Genesis 7:19 (because of something to do with the laws of gravity apparently) in his feeble and malign and totally pathetic attempts to undermine me with this garbled and somewhat pompous tirade: ''Ashley Haworth-Roberts is misrepresenting the contents of the post and displaying his ignorance of the laws of gravity when he says that 'a big hill covering flood is mentioned in Genesis'':
Genesis 7:19 (New International Version):
''They [the waters] rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.'' (A mountain being a big hill - and these liars say the mountains were 'much lower' than today at the time of this alleged 'global' Flood.)

And Gordons is 'lying by omission' because he didn't say something he could perhaps have said (but he did not deny). That's a joke btw.

I'll be charitable. Maybe the bigot Gordons hasn't even read the chapters in Genesis that describe the Flood. As otherwise he is deliberately denying an explicit Bible teaching (whilst attacking me).

Not a good look for a 'biblical' creationist.

A good look for a foolish and ignorant liar and hate merchant, however.

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https://stormbringer005.blogspot.com/2019/07/hysteria-over-climate-change-is-hysterical.html

I sent him the following message concerning the above post:
''I think you need psychological help concerning your irrational hatred of people who are worried about man-caused climate change (including other Christians).''

He will no doubt double down on his reality denial and hatred in response. It's what irrational bigots do after all.

Once again the meat machine known as Ashley Haworth-Roberts is misrepresenting the meat machine known as Cowboy Bob Sorensen. There were no Christians mentioned in the post. The only hatred expressed was by Ashley Haworth-Roberts who has openly stated that he wishes to destroy Cowboy Bob Sorensen. This is not happening and Ashley Haworth-Roberts is showing several narcissistic characteristics including doubling down himself on his attacks and throwing tantrums because he is not only failing but proving the Cowboy to be correct when he has dismantled the logic of Ashley Haworth-Roberts.

This - like the previous post just now - is a response to a Gordons attack that I somehow failed to spot the other day (probably because several false attacks were launched at the same time but not all of them triggered a notification email from the BCSE).

I did NOT, as this LIAR is insinuating, say that Christians were mentioned in that Sorensen post. I said the FOLLOWING, LIAR Gordons (quoting my message to the reality denier and liar Sorensen): ''I think you need psychological help concerning your irrational hatred of people who are worried about man-caused climate change (including other Christians)''.

NONE of your personal attacks are accurate, and you are a proven - as in my post at 20.52 pm on 6 July - pathological and hate-filled LIAR.

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https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''Another Foolish Global Warming Prediction Falsified
The previous link about global warming infuriated one particular uneducated tinhorn who believes that anyone who disagrees with *his* belief system is a liar and a bigot. (This passes for rational discourse on his planet.) So, here's more to baffle global climate change alarmists.
*****
My wife and I go to Montana almost every year to visit family, and we always make at least one trip into Glacier National Park. It is truly magnificent, and if you are in the area, I highly recommend that you visit it. However, be aware that global warming hysteria is presented nearly everywhere in the park. You can’t go into a visitor’s center (or even look at some of the trash cans) without being told that global warming is destroying the glaciers.
-Find out more here:
https://blog.drwile.com/another-foolish ... lsified/''

THIS evil fascist bigot, who should be locked up for spreading hatred and lies, is calling me 'uneducated' without even quoting a single thing I said. In other words behaving like he ALWAYS does.

THIS is what the unrepentant lying cowardly fraud (who is not a real Christian) is falsely attacking me over (it's the text of an email sent to Sorensen and a number of others earlier this week):

''''
https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
A Classic Example of Misleading “Journalism”

The headline at MSN is ominous:

It was 84 degrees near the Arctic Ocean this weekend as carbon dioxide hit its highest level in human history.

Oh no! It’s sweltering in (or at least near) the Arctic! To emphasize the dire nature of this horrible news, the article goes on to say:
https://blog.drwile.com/a-classic-examp ... rnalism/''

Wile refers to this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... KnK6HQfOS8

But I still do not understand why these American young earth creationist zealots - Bpb Sorensen and Jay Wile in this case - are in utter (non biblical) denial about man-caused global warming and its future implications, or why they hate so much the scientists, Christians and other people (including people who live in threatened areas and who have poor livelihoods) who are concerned about the problem.
https://blog.drwile.com/more-global-warming-nonsense/

The bigoted liar Wile referred in his May article to 'misleading 'journalism'' by MSN and falsely accused them of hoodwinking their readers.
Whereas the article - with its factual headline - simply referred to the climate system sounding 'alarms' and said that there had been 'abnormally' warm conditions in arctic Russia (as well as that carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere had reached 415 ppm).
The MSN article did NOT state or imply that a record temperature had been recorded at Arkhangelsk. It did say: ''Saturday’s steamy 84-degree reading was posted in Arkhangelsk, Russia, where the average high temperature is around 54 this time of year.''

The misleading comments are what Wile says in his blog, and which Sorensen gleefully seizes upon:
''It shouldn’t be that warm near the Arctic Ocean, should it? Of course it should!''
''... As you can see, then, there is nothing unusual about it being 84 F near the Arctic Ocean at this time of year.''
This article - though from a site I'm not familiar with - begs to differ:
http://www.severe-weather.eu/recent-eve ... 12th-2019/

Whenever I try to comment under this person Wile's blog posts, he deletes my comments and pretends they don't exist.

These liars also avoid talking about genuinely record-breaking heat - such as these two very recent cases:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-eur ... emperature
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48890556 (last time I checked Anchorage was an American city)''

These people are sick.

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I've also responded to that Wile article concerning Glacier National Park:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52435&hilit=glacier#p52435

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https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... ledge.html
''Bible verses have been taken out of context and twisted to support flat-earth beliefs, and then unbelievers also use these to not only mock the Bible but also flat-earthers. One of these is Matthew 4:8, which one sidewinder ripped out of context for the purpose of ridiculing the inerrancy of Scripture. (He had been shown a refutation, but he was infallibly speaking ex cathedra, so the rest of us mere mortals are wrong.)
http://www.forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewto ... 5#p52409''

I did NO such thing. (Which is why this evildoer fails to specifically back up his claim that I 'twisted' Matthew 4:8.)
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3933&p=52402&hilit=matthew#p52402 (my posts dated 4 April 2019)
[Addendum: there's also this from 11 April - viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52409&hilit=proven#p52409]

The evil person Sorensen is simply REPEATING his earlier LIE that I was shown a 'refutation'. I was NOT. I was shown (again) that Faulkner article - the very article that MY emails, shown at the BCSE community forum, strongly criticised with respect to Faulkner's 'take' that maybe the mountain mentioned in Matthew 4:8 was 'hypothetical'. The mountain looks real to me. So it was Faulkner (and now Sorensen) who are questioning what Matthew 4:8 actually says. NOT me. It is these bigots who insist that every Bible verse is 'infallible'/'inerrant' - yet they question whether the mountain mentioned at Matthew 4:8 was real (because if it was the implication of the verse is that Earth is flat and you can see every kingdom from the top of a tall mountain). You can't.

Still waiting for Sorensen (and Answers in Genesis) to explain exactly how Matthew 4:8 does 'not' suggest a flat Earth (and rather a spherical one).

'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen, and his two friends who also falsely attack, are pure EVIL. And sick. They should be exposed and ostracised by both real Christians and other honest folk. (As I am doing - the former anyway.)

In the case of that nastiness today from Long - I had already stopped copying in Bump, James, Kidder, Nelstead and Davidson - something the liar failed to mention (when he still copied them in).

Sorensen, Long and Gordons will be in hell.

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https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/07/flat-earth-beliefs-and-special-knowledge.html
''Bible verses have been taken out of context and twisted to support flat-earth beliefs, and then unbelievers also use these to not only mock the Bible but also flat-earthers. One of these is Matthew 4:8, which one sidewinder ripped out of context for the purpose of ridiculing the inerrancy of Scripture. (He had been shown a refutation, but he was infallibly speaking ex cathedra, so the rest of us mere mortals are wrong.)
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=1245#p52409''

I did NO such thing. (Which is why this evildoer fails to specifically back up his claim that I 'twisted' Matthew 4:8.)
http://forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic. ... hew#p52402 (my posts dated 4 April 2019)

The evil person Sorensen is simply REPEATING his earlier LIE that I was shown a 'refutation'. I was NOT. I was shown (again) that Faulkner article - the very article that MY emails, shown at the BCSE community forum, strongly criticised with respect to Faulkner's 'take' that maybe the mountain mentioned in Matthew 4:8 was 'hypothetical'. The mountain looks real to me. So it was Faulkner (and now Sorensen) who are questioning what Matthew 4:8 actually says. NOT me. It is these bigots who insist that every Bible verse is 'infallible'/'inerrant' - yet they question whether the mountain mentioned at Matthew 4:8 was real (because if it was the implication of the verse is that Earth is flat and you can see every kingdom from the top of a tall mountain. You can't.

Still waiting for Sorensen (and Answers in Genesis) to explain exactly how Matthew 4:8 does 'not' suggest a flat Earth (and rather a spherical one).

'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen, and his two friends who also falsely attack, are pure EVIL. And sick. They should be exposed and ostracised by both real Christians and other honest folk. (As I am doing - the former anyway.)

In the case of that nastiness today from Long - I had already stopped copying in Bump, James, Kidder, Nelstead and Davidson - something the liar failed to mention (when he still copied them in).

Sorensen, Long and Gordons will be in hell.

In a few weeks time Sorensen and co will LIE again about this post - by pretending it does not exist or is 'illogical'.

They are sick.

They are pure evil.

They will never repent.

They will go to hell.

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https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman
''I have heard some people say that Greenland is a different area with higher snowfall and conditions to where they get their "millions of years" ice cores from. Do you have any response to that?'' (Good point.)
''Even with secular calculations, the planes should not have been found at that location.''
No, Bob doesn't have a response just a made-up fact ie a lie.

And he insists there was a global flood - because of this (a cave drawing in India):
https://amp.scroll.in/magazine/921926/d ... excitement
https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... india.html
''... this evidence fits biblical creation science Flood, Ice Age, and animal dispersion models ...''.
How does it all fit with the BIBLE that's what I'd like to know - but will never be told.

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https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''Creation and Embarrassment
There are professing Christians who claim to believe the authority of the Bible, then deny recent creation and the Flood. The evidence supports our faith.
https://www.biblecreation.com/2019/07/c ... ent.html''
http://rationalfaith.com/2019/07/are-yo ... ian-faith/ (this article is followed by nine dreadful 'science' claims that have been repeatedly debunked; if the writer is not a deceiver he is deceived and does not know or care)

Those Christians that you have contempt for would accept recent creation and a global flood (and probably also deny the causes of ongoing climate change/global warming) if the evidence was on their side. But it is not. That is what this is about. Christians who do not think Genesis trumps known reality. And YECs who are judgmental towards them whilst employing falsehoods and distortions to try and make their biblical case that is made because of dogma.

According to Sorensen's article: ''Am I doing them a disservice by questioning their commitment to the authority of the Bible they profess to believe and defend? I'll go a bit further and also say that I think that they have a problem with pride. We want the hands at the Darwin Ranch to think we're sorta smart after all, so we cede the age of the earth and the Flood to secular view...''. It's not about pride it's about truth and reality. And the Bible and fundamentalists do not have a monopoly of 'truth'.

And: ''... not the ever-changing whims of secular science interpretations.''
That is a gross caricature of reality (that same, robust, scientific - and 'secular' not religious/creationist - knowledge got us to the moon and back 50 years ago).

And some non-Christians despise hardline Christians who target them and claim they are 'wrong' about everything including science. There is more common ground concerning acquired scientific knowledge from 'creation' than Bob will ever allow for.

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viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2967&p=52502&hilit=sane#p52502
New post at 0.22 BST on 29 July.

I forgot to mention the lake of fire. Revelation 21:8. Bob being an unrepentant liar (and a coward as well).

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[ADDENDUM at 8.58 pm on 5 August - please also see my next but one posting, at 8.56 pm today.]

http://www.biblecreation.com/2019/07/wh ... nists.html
''One of the most difficult things about being a Christian is: other Christians. Believers can have their faith adversely affected or even set it aside and unbelievers use our treatment of each other as an excuse to ridicule the faith and justify their rebellion against God. Those verses on how believers are supposed to treat each other seem to have been excised from Bibles nowadays. It gets discouraging.''

I could have written those words.

The problem is, though, that many 'biblical' creationists tell lies on a daily basis (including even lies that have nothing to do with the Bible or Christianity just right wing politics):
https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken- ... te-change/
''Clearly, there’s more to climate and the changes we’re currently seeing than just an increase in carbon dioxide, as we’re so often told by the alarmist media.'' No, there is NOT. As the news is highlighting on a regular basis. The media these people attack are just reporting the findings of scientists with no axe to grind and who aren't courting popularity by being 'alarmist' (the person courting popularity with his base is Ken Ham).
https://answersingenesis.org/environmen ... d-glacier/
''Climate change alarmism is based on a faulty view of the past and ignorance of God’s promise that we will always have summer and winter, seedtime and harvest (Genesis 8:22).'' Utter nonsense. All that verse tells us is that there would not be another 'global' flood, and that seasons (caused by Earth's predictable orbit and tilt) and day and night (caused by its rotation) will continue. It does NOT address climate change, man-made or otherwise (It merely implies a 'normal' future climate from God - but current global warming is from MAN).
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2967&start=1860 (latest four posts)

So yes - I and many others do have a problem with the words and behaviour of ''biblical' creationists. That problem being with their science denial, pseudo-science, adding to what the Bible says or means (like TEs and OECs also do), making up stuff (lying) and their general finger pointing, hate-mongering, judgmentalism and hypocrisy when they claim to love 'science' (and to know better than anybody else what is happening eg with the planet's climate).

I do not know about the Adam Tucker that Sorensen is going on about (including whether he lies all the time like Ham and Sorensen do), but he is certainly correct that Ken Ham is 'dangerous' (because eg he denies that action is needed to tackle human-caused global warming, and because he manages to deceive so many Christians about scientific issues).

I found this and I broadly agree with much of it (frequently Ken Ham pushes his word and NOT God's word):
https://ses.edu/ken-hams-defence-and-skepticism

This apparently was a response to that article (and at a glance appears to contain some valid points regarding what Tucker wrote):
https://hipandthigh.wordpress.com/2019/ ... pologetic/

As for Sorensen I make no apology for using what he calls 'personal attacks' against him and Ham. He does the same to me (behind my back because he's too scared to come onto this page). The difference being that my personal attacks are FACTUAL and SPECIFIC (his are fictional and 'broadbrush').

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https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... usion.html
'' ... When presented with contrary views, misotheists often rail against and attempt to shame those who have the unmitigated gall to believe something different — especially when we provide evidence and logic that refute their positions ...
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2967&p=52505&hilit=lunatic#p52505 [post at 0.37 am BST on 31 july]''.

Why is he so upset about me exercising free speech on a community forum that is open to all. Maybe it's because there was nothing Christian (or truthful) in what I was railing against - but Sorensen and Ham are bigots and liars, not genuine Christians.

Sorensen is suggesting that I have been 'caught lying'. That is false.

Sorensen is pure evil - and on his way to the lake of fire.

He will never repent.

(Nor of his evasiveness and cowardice and hate.)

The religion of climate change denial makes these liars look even less 'Christian' - and also even more authoritarian and wilfully stupid at the same time.

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I accidentally deleted my text before posting this reply.

Basically, Adam Tucker appears to be someone who thinks for himself and I expect he will by now have concluded that Sorensen is an appalling liar and bigot, that Ken Ham remains 'dangerous' and that I am no 'demoniac' simply somebody who exposes lies, hate and pseudo-science pushed on the internet by people like Sorensen.

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''By the way, you have the approval of a demoniac with a visceral hatred of Ken Ham, me, and just about every creationist on the planet. That should tell you something.
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52506&hilit=rides#p52506''

Thanks for the publicity Cowardly Bob. Adam Tucker can see what I ACTUALLY have said about him, about Ken Ham and about Sorensen - and even fact check it if he has the time and the motivation.

I am no 'demoniac' as I am sure Tucker will be able to readily discover. He will then presumably reach his conclusions about what the proven liar and hate-filled accuser Sorensen might be. (My own conclusion being that he is a hypocrite.)

PS viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2967&start=1860

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https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''Creation and Embarrassment
There are professing Christians who claim to believe the authority of the Bible, then deny recent creation and the Flood. The evidence supports our faith.
https://www.biblecreation.com/2019/07/c ... ent.html''
http://rationalfaith.com/2019/07/are-yo ... ian-faith/ (this article is followed by nine dreadful 'science' claims that have been repeatedly debunked; if the writer is not a deceiver he is deceived and does not know or care)

Those Christians that you have contempt for would accept recent creation and a global flood (and probably also deny the causes of ongoing climate change/global warming) if the evidence was on their side. But it is not. That is what this is about. Christians who do not think Genesis trumps known reality. And YECs who are judgmental towards them whilst employing falsehoods and distortions to try and make their biblical case that is made because of dogma.

According to Sorensen's article: ''Am I doing them a disservice by questioning their commitment to the authority of the Bible they profess to believe and defend? I'll go a bit further and also say that I think that they have a problem with pride. We want the hands at the Darwin Ranch to think we're sorta smart after all, so we cede the age of the earth and the Flood to secular view...''. It's not about pride it's about truth and reality. And the Bible and fundamentalists do not have a monopoly of 'truth'.

And: ''... not the ever-changing whims of secular science interpretations.''
That is a gross caricature of reality (that same, robust, scientific - and 'secular' not religious/creationist - knowledge got us to the moon and back 50 years ago).

And some non-Christians despise hardline Christians who target them and claim they are 'wrong' about everything including science. There is more common ground concerning acquired scientific knowledge from 'creation' than Bob will ever allow for.

https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... whims.html
''This snide tinhorn (Darwin's equivalent of Comical Ali) had taken exception to my oft-used remarks about "the ever-changing whims of secular science interpretations", and he told me so. He claimed that I was misrepresenting "reality" and science is secular, not "religious" or "creationist", and it got Americans to the moon fifty years ago. Someone is exhibiting his lack of logic.''

The evasive coward is attacking my words without allowing his bigoted followers to even read them. That is how liars and haters behave. The man is a hypocrite - and he knows it. He is unrepentant - and always will be. He is not a real Christian. No fruits of the spirit ever on display.

He is evil.

He will never silence me.

''... he is conflating operational science with historical science''. So is this anti-science liar. Every time he denies the ('operational') science of man-made current global warming (and attacks people worried about future global warming).

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https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''Creation and Embarrassment
There are professing Christians who claim to believe the authority of the Bible, then deny recent creation and the Flood. The evidence supports our faith.
https://www.biblecreation.com/2019/07/c ... ent.html''
http://rationalfaith.com/2019/07/are-yo ... ian-faith/ (this article is followed by nine dreadful 'science' claims that have been repeatedly debunked; if the writer is not a deceiver he is deceived and does not know or care)

Those Christians that you have contempt for would accept recent creation and a global flood (and probably also deny the causes of ongoing climate change/global warming) if the evidence was on their side. But it is not. That is what this is about. Christians who do not think Genesis trumps known reality. And YECs who are judgmental towards them whilst employing falsehoods and distortions to try and make their biblical case that is made because of dogma.

According to Sorensen's article: ''Am I doing them a disservice by questioning their commitment to the authority of the Bible they profess to believe and defend? I'll go a bit further and also say that I think that they have a problem with pride. We want the hands at the Darwin Ranch to think we're sorta smart after all, so we cede the age of the earth and the Flood to secular view...''. It's not about pride it's about truth and reality. And the Bible and fundamentalists do not have a monopoly of 'truth'.

And: ''... not the ever-changing whims of secular science interpretations.''
That is a gross caricature of reality (that same, robust, scientific - and 'secular' not religious/creationist - knowledge got us to the moon and back 50 years ago).

And some non-Christians despise hardline Christians who target them and claim they are 'wrong' about everything including science. There is more common ground concerning acquired scientific knowledge from 'creation' than Bob will ever allow for.

https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... whims.html
''This snide tinhorn (Darwin's equivalent of Comical Ali) had taken exception to my oft-used remarks about "the ever-changing whims of secular science interpretations", and he told me so. He claimed that I was misrepresenting "reality" and science is secular, not "religious" or "creationist", and it got Americans to the moon fifty years ago. Someone is exhibiting his lack of logic.''

The evasive coward is attacking my words without allowing his bigoted followers to even read them. That is how liars and haters behave. The man is a hypocrite - and he knows it. He is unrepentant - and always will be. He is not a real Christian. No fruits of the spirit ever on display.

He is evil.

He will never silence me.

''... he is conflating operational science with historical science''. So is this anti-science liar. Every time he denies the ('operational') science of man-made current global warming (and attacks people worried about future global warming).

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
''Hitler-Robbers is mad about this. He gets mad when you linked to him, and he gets mad when you don't link to him. But this was done as a story to begin with. (Cuntis Long.)
''There's no pleasing him. If I died, I wouldn't do it right in his eyes.'' (Cowardly Bob Sorensen.)


These cowards are evil and not genuine Christians. All they do is spread hatred and lie and libel their many critics. Isn't there enough hate already on the internet? Not for them there isn't.

But their hatred and lying will continue to be exposed. As long as these people spew it, it will be exposed and confounded.