YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:31 pm

Unfortunately some scientific facts are a challenge to 'biblical' creationists - who force themselves to deny them in order to be 'faithful':
http://www.biblecreation.com/2019/04/tr ... ation.html
Including the results obtained via radiometric dating.

''Death and disease were not there at the beginning, and will not be there at the restoration of all things, old son.'' Just imagine (if we assume for a moment a creation aged 6,000 years) that death still did not exist now. Just imagine that. (So it is I think reasonable to assume that death and decay have always, or almost always, been part of a 'very good' or 'fallen' creation.)
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YEC Bob Sorensen - Liar for the flood

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:41 pm

(Just like Answers in Genesis) Flood fanatic Sorensen doesn't want to discuss seiches:
https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... tions.html
https://mymodernmet.com/cretaceous-fossils-tanis/

''What I saw immediately is that scientists found catastrophic, rapid burial with lots of water involved. Really? Sounds like further evidence of the Genesis Flood to me.'' The person not interested in the details of physical evidence is Sorensen - not the people he has a constant craving to attack. Sorensen and fellow 'biblical' creationists are the dishonest ones - not those they belittle and attack.

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
''Featured Post: "Dinosaur Extinction and Evolutionary Assumptions"
Researchers think they found fossil evidence for the Chicxulub dinosaur-killer asteroid. Instead, what they found supports the global Genesis Flood.''
It does NOT. This was no flood from the sky or from below a la Genesis It was the result of an asteroid impact. Slight difference I think even these lying bigots would, privately, admit.

'Biblical' creationists hate science.


As I recently wrote on email (but Bob doesn't want to read my emails despite often claiming that he supports 'critical' thinking); I show three detailed emails in the order in which they were sent:
''I accept that Answers News did not specifically deny tektites (glass formed during asteroid or meteorite impacts) were found at Tanis in North Dakota or that there could have been a massive asteroid impact as described here:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019 ... saurs-died
Based on the Ham piece (which does not give a reason why the 'evolutionary' interpretations - which exclude any global flood - must be wrong) AiG seem to be reluctantly admitting that Chicxulub really happened and that it could explain the tektites found at Tanis (there's also this previous AiG article - which was added to earlier in 2019: https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/ ... dinosaurs/):
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/ ... nd-buried/
''Such an impact would’ve caused earthquakes and flooding, and this site, in the evolutionary interpretation, appears to preserve part of that catastrophe, as a flash flood of fossils and tiny pieces of natural glass (called tektites) formed from meteorite impacts are also found'';
''Creation scientists look at the same evidence and interpret it a different way. The Chicxulub crater was formed when an asteroid impacted the earth during the global flood of Noah’s day, just 4,350 years ago.''
And in the Ham blog of 8 April AiG's Andrew Snelling goes even further:
''The Chicxulub impact was the result of one of many asteroids and meteorites impacting the earth’s surface and cratering it during the Flood, adding to the violent reshaping of the earth’s surface by catastrophic erosion by water surging from earthquake-generated tsunamis and waves, followed by the incredibly rapid deposition of sediments entombing creatures and plants.''
The earlier AiG article by Troy Lacey, just mentioned, states:
''First of all, it should be remembered that asteroid/meteor impacts are not foreign to Flood geology models. A meteor impact or impacts may have been the catalyst which triggered the fountains of the great deep to be broken up (Genesis 7:11).''
So - Ken Ham and co are apparently claiming that a 6-mile wide asteroid hit Earth (a totally flooded planet at the time in question) around 4,350 years ago during 'Noah's Flood'. And that a large wooden ark survived such a disaster.
FWIW I found this:
https://www.quora.com/What-exactly-woul ... xico-today
If you assume that the asteroid struck the very day Noah and co boarded their ark, then you have to believe that 375 or so days later (Genesis implies they were on the ark from 17 Feb in the first year until 27 Feb in the second year assuming the months were as now - and obviously year length was the same just 4,350 years ago) and after what two respondents describe here ie 'doomsday' and 'most of the human race would perish quickly' it would nevertheless be possible for what is described in Genesis 8:15-22 to happen:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
And back to that Lacey article. I've just seen that it offers the following unbiblical and evidence-free conjecture:
''Sometime after the 150th day of the Flood, the Chicxulub impact and these Deccan eruptions are likely to have occurred.''
Though it is tempting to attempt it if you are a YEC I do not think you can use 'Noah's Flood' to make some sort of direct connection between Chicxulub and the Deccan Traps volcanism (even if they both occurred around the same number of MILLION years ago). But I've just seen that Lacey did indeed succumb to that temptation with his addendum:
''While the evolutionary timescale of these events is believed to have occurred within an approximate 800,000 year window—some Deccan lava eruptions before and some after the time of the Chicxulub impact—in a flood geology paradigm, these events all occurred within a very short period.''
Yes - it's actually easier to believe the BIBLE than to believe Ken Ham and co. Well, Ken Ham does NOT speak the 'word of God' he effectively adds to scripture in a failed attempt to demonstrate that the Bible is scientifically and historically infallible (and he also misuses the Bible to try and falsify 'naturalistic' or 'evolutionary' science.
Also AiG have yet to demonstrate that when this occurred the whole planet was under water:
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019 ... 17407116''
and:
''Here are some more details that Answers in Genesis are either ignorant of (which is inexcusable enough given the resources available to them) or are deliberately ignoring when trying to claim that sites like Tanis might be 'ten a penny' and all pointing to a global flood as in Genesis just 4,350 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanis_%28fossil_site%29
''At Tanis, unlike any other known Lagerstätte site, it appears that freak circumstances preserved exquisite moment-by-moment details from the actual impact event itself, including many rare and unique finds, which allow us for the first time to see the direct effects on plants and animals alive at the time, and the immediate effects of a large impact at distant locations. The events at Tanis occurred far too soon after impact to be caused by mega tsunamis from the impact. Instead, much faster seismic waves from the impact's massive earthquakes travelling at around 5 km/s (11,000 mph) probably reached the area about 10 minutes after impact, causing large seiche waves within the Western Interior Seaway and perhaps other waters near Tanis, which was near an ancient waterway. These waves carried sea, land, and freshwater animals and plants, and other debris several miles inland, and exposed and covered the site twice, at exactly the same time that millions of tiny droplets and debris from the impact were raining down.''
The Wikipedia page on the Western Interior Seaway as of 66 million years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Interior_Seaway
Tanis is part of the Hell Creek Formation and the Wikipedia page for Tanis states: ''The [Hell Creek] formation contains a series of fresh and brackish-water clays, mudstones, and sandstones deposited during the Maastrichtian and Danian (respectively, the end of the Cretaceous and the beginning of the Paleogene periods) by fluvial activity in fluctuating river channels and deltas and very occasional peaty swamp deposits along the low-lying eastern continental margin fronting the late Cretaceous Western Interior Seaway.''
This lengthy article also discusses the same topic as in the text I quote from that Tanis Wikipedia page:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019 ... saurs-died
For instance: ''Richards had previously estimated that the worldwide earthquake generated by the KT impact could have been a thousand times stronger than the biggest earthquake ever experienced in human history. Using that gauge, he calculated that potent seismic waves would have arrived at Tanis six minutes, ten minutes, and thirteen minutes after the impact. (Different types of seismic waves travel at different speeds.) The brutal shaking would have been enough to trigger a large seiche, and the first blobs of glass would have started to rain down seconds or minutes afterward. They would have continued to fall as the seiche waves rolled in and out, depositing layer upon layer of sediment and each time ­sealing the tektites in place.''
The article also suggests that the 'KT' tsunami would have arrived after all this occurred.
The apologetics materials so far put out by Answers in Genesis make NO mention of seiches:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiche
''A seiche (/ˈseɪʃ/ SAYSH) is a standing wave in an enclosed or partially enclosed body of water. Seiches and seiche-related phenomena have been observed on lakes, reservoirs, swimming pools, bays, harbours and seas.''
Just saying that Tanis is 'explainable' by what the Bible (plus Answers in Genesis) says about Noah's Flood is utterly simplistic and also fails to address directly what the scientific experts are claiming about Tanis based upon the evidence so far discovered and studied in depth.''
and:
''This same liar and bigot [Ken Ham] claims that a 6-mile wide asteroid hit Earth at Chicxulub 'during' Noah's Flood just '4,350' years ago - despite such a catastrophic event being both fictional during humanity's time on this planet and utterly alien to the word of God (but Ken Ham cares nothing for either as otherwise he would repent of his career lying over science, history, politics and a so-called 'biblical' worldview.
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/ ... -buried/''

Sorensen - who will IGNORE the contents of the above but may either attack me because of it or quote-mine parts of it out of context - was only on 24 April preaching:
'' ... we need to think critically, ask questions, do some research, have healthy skepticism ...''. But all we get from Sorensen, to use his bad language back at him, is 'creatoporn'. Pity he does not practise what he preaches.

This oft proven Liar claims that so-called 'evoporn' ''makes atheists and evolutionists feel good, but has no actual scientific value''. Sorensen's extreme bigotry is the kind of thing religious fundamentalists (who think they are better than other believers let alone anyone else) constantly do.

I thought it was supposed to be the gospel that some people find offensive. And not unrepentant hateful hypocrites, liars and bigots like 'Cowboy Bob'.
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Flood liar YEC Bob Sorensen (and the AiG liars)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:37 pm

Re my preceding post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXm3qo1maMk
Comments here from Jon Perry, beginning around 11 minutes 45 seconds, are informative. This was a huge impact that shook the Earth and caused huge flooding near coastlines. NOT an apparently global and hill covering flood as described in the book of Genesis. And this event - unlike what the Bible describes in Genesis - 'did' for loads of species including all dinosaurs ie it rendered them (unbiblically) EXTINCT. (Comments are also made about sites like these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagerst%C3%A4tte) And mention is made of Adam Sedgwick (who would NOT be a YEC or 'flood geologist' - but probably still a Christian preacher - if he was alive today).

I listened to Perry up to just before 20 minutes in. Well worth it.
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YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar and fool

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:17 pm

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''8-year-old Ava Martinez impersonates socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and hilariously mocks her: "Like, I want to talk about, like, climate change. Because, like, there’s no doubt cow farts are making the climate change" [YouTube link.]''

Climate change fascist and bigoted hate-filled idiot Bob doesn't even know (or care) that the methane comes from cows burping not farting.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar and fool

Postby MisterGordons » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:34 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''8-year-old Ava Martinez impersonates socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and hilariously mocks her: "Like, I want to talk about, like, climate change. Because, like, there’s no doubt cow farts are making the climate change" [YouTube link.]''

Climate change fascist and bigoted hate-filled idiot Bob doesn't even know (or care) that the methane comes from cows burping not farting.


The only hate-filled bigoted idiot with fascist inclinations available is Ashley Haworth-Roberts. His extreme hatred for people who have facts and opinions that differ from his own causes him to make a fool of himself. The fact that Cowboy Bob Sorensen posted a parody link regarding Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is irrelevant. Ashley Haworth-Roberts apparently does not understand parody. If Ashley Haworth-Roberts was not so prone to impulsive reactions he may have discovered that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez believes that bovine flatulence is a problem. Cowboy Bob Sorensen did not demonstrate ignorance of methane. https://nypost.com/2019/02/22/aoc-expla ... -new-deal/
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar and fool

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:14 pm

MisterGordons wrote:
a_haworthroberts wrote:https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''8-year-old Ava Martinez impersonates socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and hilariously mocks her: "Like, I want to talk about, like, climate change. Because, like, there’s no doubt cow farts are making the climate change" [YouTube link.]''

Climate change fascist and bigoted hate-filled idiot Bob doesn't even know (or care) that the methane comes from cows burping not farting.


The only hate-filled bigoted idiot with fascist inclinations available is Ashley Haworth-Roberts. His extreme hatred for people who have facts and opinions that differ from his own causes him to make a fool of himself. The fact that Cowboy Bob Sorensen posted a parody link regarding Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is irrelevant. Ashley Haworth-Roberts apparently does not understand parody. If Ashley Haworth-Roberts was not so prone to impulsive reactions he may have discovered that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez believes that bovine flatulence is a problem. Cowboy Bob Sorensen did not demonstrate ignorance of methane. https://nypost.com/2019/02/22/aoc-expla ... -new-deal/



The truth sure hurts Liar Gordons. I addressed the words I read. I spoke truth.

You must blame Sorensen for writing those words - not me. But you are in love with him it would seem.

That politician your link refers to (that link was NOT with Sorensen's Facebook rant) is ignorant. Trump by contrast simply lies about climate change (and everything else).
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YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 01, 2019 10:53 pm

https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... ution.html (flagging the ICR)

Science rejecting fundamentalist religion to the fore. Nothing new there.
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YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri May 03, 2019 11:47 pm

Here's a lesson in how hateful bigots write when blogging:
https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... ience.html
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YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu May 09, 2019 11:50 pm

It's certainly extraordinary what SOME (fundamentalist) Christians invent and then declare to be facts:
https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... flood.html
https://creation.com/tremendous-erosion-flood

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
''Erosion and other physical evidence of the Genesis Flood baffles secular geologists...''
That's because 'creation scientists' are trying (in vain) to link evidence with a fictional and impossible event.

Which nullifies Sorensen's blog claim that ''Creation science Flood geology models explain what is observed far better than deep time secular models''. It is not difficult to try and explain evidence with a fictional event or cause - except that the scientific method cannot allow such bogus links if the evidence does not fit the 'explanation' in question. Which it does not in this case. For instance catastrophic plate tectonics is both impossible AND unbiblical, and the pattern of the fossil record simply cannot be explained by a catastrophic year-long flood (but they can by evolution and extinction events over deep time - as can observed erosion, including unconformities).
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YEC Bob Sorensen - arrogant

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 15, 2019 6:44 pm

http://www.biblecreation.com/2019/05/th ... dview.html
''There has to be an ultimate standard for good and evil. This cannot be found in an evolutionary or atheistic worldview, since they think we are simply responding to our chemical impulses; when they complain that something is evil, they are standing on the biblical creationist worldview! I challenged the tinhorn mentioned earlier that, if I was indeed lying, why would that be wrong according to his worldview? He was defeated because he could not give a cogent answer, and displayed his subjective opinion instead.''

Every reasonable person thinks lying (including lying by this claimed 'Christian') is wrong and evil. That does not 'prove' a 'creationist worldview'. Sorry.
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More religious propaganda about scientific topics

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 15, 2019 11:24 pm

Or if not, go away and publish your discoveries in a reputable scientific journal and convince the international scientific community and the world (and find methods of radiometric dating that never produce an age older than 6,000 years even though the method in question would be capable of demonstrating ages much older than that).

https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... earth.html
https://www.icr.org/article/six-biologi ... ung-earth/

Extra-solar/interstellar asteroids/comets, anyone? How long do they take to travel to our solar system, Dr Tomkins? (And what speed did they travel at?)
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Latest email as sent about the fascist cowards at TQEP

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu May 16, 2019 11:59 pm

One of the most remarkable things about Curtis Long and Bob Sorensen is their utter cowardice.

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=1260 (post at 0.24 am BST on 16 May)
''More religious propaganda about scientific topics.
Or if not, go away and publish your discoveries in a reputable scientific journal and convince the international scientific community and the world (and find methods of radiometric dating that never produce an age older than 6,000 years even though the method in question would be capable of demonstrating ages much older than that).
https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... earth.html
https://www.icr.org/article/six-biologi ... ung-earth/
Extra-solar/interstellar asteroids/comets, anyone? How long do they take to travel to our solar system, Dr Tomkins? (And what speed did they travel at?)''

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/ (malevolent and sniping responses posted from around 5 pm BST on 16 May)
Long: ''Your criminal Cyberstalker straw manned this one. He ignored the contents and went on about a space Rock. Since he knows more about that space rock than the scientists, he should write up something, get it peer revewed, and get himself a Nobel Prize.''
Sorensen: ''I'm sure he would like to have all biblical creationists go through a Maoist Struggle Session'. There's no logic to be found in him. He not only hates biblical creation, he hates the God of the Bible. Instead, he is an idolator, making a puny god that he can shine up when he feels religious. He really needs to repent. -CBB''.

So - who really needs to 'repent'? (Assuming, as I do, that repeated lying is a sin.)

Both of us indeed hate each other. I hate evil by professing 'Christians'. Whereas 'The Question Evolution Project' hate SCRUTINY by informed and persistent critics.
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YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar and science hater

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 22, 2019 11:11 pm

It's frightening how some bigots deny basic facts and wage an unending war on scientific reality because of their version of God and 'the Bible':
https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... -bomb.html
''These people are mentally ill.''
Ah yes, you can just feel the 'Christian' love and compassion (Christian love and compassion are real - but this toxic far right antagonistic person knows nothing of either).
''This reminds me of the global climate change cult that uses bad data, false predictions (did you hear that a glacier in Greenland is growing again?), and emotional appeal to manipulate people for leftist agendas — which includes infringing on our God-given rights.
https://www.apnews.com/b19abfb0a0534b51 ... 806255a8''
The article references this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0329-3
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0382-y

The arrogant boor Sorensen thinks ONE non (currently) receding glacier falsifies global warming predictions (and probably also the notion that ongoing global warming was caused by selfish and ignorant humans and is not 'natural' and has been allowed to happen by God because he does not usually intervene to stop people individually or collectively misbehaving if they choose to).

Remember - I have been calling out this hate-filled (and cowardly) hypocrite who dresses in 'Christian' and 'biblical creationist' clothing for YEARS (yes he's a creationist of some kind - but not very biblical in his tirades; hardly surprising since I doubt he has ever been converted and probably never will be due to a hardness of heart and refusal to repent of lying and hating). Amazing how these people clutch at straws. It's all they've got.
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The fascist bigot Curtis Long

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri May 24, 2019 9:16 pm

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''I've noticed that Ken Ham, Gordons, you, me all live in a condo, rent free, in Hagfish Hitler-Robbers' head.''

I've noticed that Long is a fake rather than a Christian - and full of hate as well as being a total coward. He was presumably angered by the home truths here:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52435&hilit=frightening#p52435 (post dated 23 May)

Long's latest venom appears under this new Facebook post by Sorensen:
Amazingly, some people who do not even believe the Bible will say that since the Bible does not mention global warming, it seems that we are supposed to believe leftist instead.
Excerpts from the Chis [sic] Plante Show from May 13 and 14, 2019 (with side comments edited out) where climate change cultists have made predictions that have failed. Leftists today are illustrating how this is all about political power, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez even backed-tracked on her doomsday proclamations. Also, Bill Nye the Propaganda Guy apparently figures that foul language makes his points. Used under Fair Use provisions for educational purposes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8UkYM ... 51CpVIYuTg (is Chris Plante the loudmouth speaking the start of this)

Did you get that? Sorensen has been forced to admit that the Bible does NOT mention global warming (so belief in man-caused or natural global warming is not 'unbiblical' - as well as belief in something true).

Looks like his real agenda is not Christianity so much as hatred of evolutionists and 'leftists' (that's everyone to the left of him politically). An agenda enthusiastically supported by Long.
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