YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:13 pm

https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... ience.html

These creationist extremists shoot themselves in the foot whenever they outright lie - needlessly since it's nothing to do with the Bible or orthodox Christian belief - about the cause of current climate change.

They must like having crippled feet.
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YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:28 pm

https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... ssils.html
(Linking to: https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/ho ... d-fossils/)
''Something else we have been saying for a long time is that things have to be buried quickly so things can commence to fossilizing ...''.

IF fossils 'aren't' forming (usually slowly despite YEC strawmen arguments) 'today' during the local mega floods that sometimes occur, then they didn't form during that Bible 'worldwide flood' either. (Unless you pretend the - fictional - Bible 'worldwide' event was 'magic' in a way that no other flood ever has been or will be - which is not science but a religious fantasy.)

The question is not how long fossils take to form so much as how long ago the process ended for the fossil in question.

Unless you have a YEC brain and refuse to understand this.

''... the narrative about millions of years to make fossils happen is still being told...''. WHERE Bob? That AiG article does not suggest it. So why are you claiming it?
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Sorensen in a strop (or was he saying something 'nice'?)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:31 pm

https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... ttack.html
The comments below have been flagged in a wide circulation email - as shown below:

''
https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... ttack.html
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/

So who is more 'Christian' in their behaviour? Myself or the internet fundamentalist 'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen? Which of us tells the truth? Which of us lies?

Remember that this person repeatedly calls me a 'liar' - he does it TWICE in this tirade. I can however rebut every single one of his accusations (when I do he goes all quiet).

''Such an accusation without evidence makes him the liar.'' I DO provide evidence. And links. And Sorensen wilfully ignores all of it.
''... he is lying about the magnetic field indicating a young earth, which can be found on major creation science sites...''. No I am not. I was simply pointing out that Earth's currently declining magnetic field is NOT a dating method and it tells us NOTHING about the age of the Earth.
This person also lies again that I am a 'criminal cyberstalker'. Yet in his authoritarian universe it's OK for him to falsely - and in a cowardly manner (without even informing me) - libel me publicly in an internet blog.
I frankly do not have the time at this moment to address the remainder of his whinging and pseudo-intellectualism.

So please vote now. Who is the liar? Who is demonstrating the more 'Christian' behaviour?

A H-R''
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YEC and liar 'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:16 am

The latest proof that this person is motivated by hatred of people who question his online claims and NOT by Christian behaviour or evangelism:

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
''By the design of the Great Creator, water freezes and ice melts at 32°F. At this temperature, an icy road usually has a thin layer of water molecules interacting with the ice molecules beneath. The ice is freezing the water at the same rate the water is melting the ice. When salt is added, it lowers the water’s freezing point. The result is that the ice can’t freeze the water, but the water continues to melt the ice, reducing the ice on the road.
How does salt lower the freezing point of water? By the design of the Great Creator, when dissolved in water, salt (NaCl) splits into sodium and chlorine ions which form weak chemical bonds with water molecules (H2O). This solution stays liquid at much lower temperatures than pure water because the sodium and chlorine ions “get in the way” and impede crystallization of the water molecules into ice because the ions have bonded with water molecules.
Warning: too advanced for atheopath stalkers:
https://biblescienceguy.wordpress.com/2 ... elt-ice/''

What a hypocrite and liar this bigot is. I will continue to 'stalk' him because he is a liar, a coward, a fool and a hate-filled bigot (wearing 'biblical Christian' clothing).

Salt lowers the freezing point of water, bigot Bob. As I see the article informs readers. But - yes I learnt something new about ions in the article, even though the article was written by a creationist. Whereas Bob refuses to learn anything UNLESS it is something being taught by a fellow ('young earth') creationist.

Now how about you give us a lesson on the difference between a hoar frost, a 'white' frost, grass/ground frost, air frost, rime and glaze/freezing rain, Bob. Or - if that is too advanced for you you could read this (which wasn't written by creationists so can you trust it):
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/learning/temperature/frost

We had hoar frost here early on Monday morning as I viewed the lunar eclipse. It followed a sunny chilly day with - I assume - low humidity.
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Re: YEC and liar 'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen

Postby MisterGordons » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:01 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:The latest proof that this person is motivated by hatred of people who question his online claims and NOT by Christian behaviour or evangelism:

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
''By the design of the Great Creator, water freezes and ice melts at 32°F. At this temperature, an icy road usually has a thin layer of water molecules interacting with the ice molecules beneath. The ice is freezing the water at the same rate the water is melting the ice. When salt is added, it lowers the water’s freezing point. The result is that the ice can’t freeze the water, but the water continues to melt the ice, reducing the ice on the road.
How does salt lower the freezing point of water? By the design of the Great Creator, when dissolved in water, salt (NaCl) splits into sodium and chlorine ions which form weak chemical bonds with water molecules (H2O). This solution stays liquid at much lower temperatures than pure water because the sodium and chlorine ions “get in the way” and impede crystallization of the water molecules into ice because the ions have bonded with water molecules.
Warning: too advanced for atheopath stalkers:
https://biblescienceguy.wordpress.com/2 ... elt-ice/''

What a hypocrite and liar this bigot is. I will continue to 'stalk' him because he is a liar, a coward, a fool and a hate-filled bigot (wearing 'biblical Christian' clothing).

Salt lowers the freezing point of water, bigot Bob. As I see the article informs readers. But - yes I learnt something new about ions in the article, even though the article was written by a creationist. Whereas Bob refuses to learn anything UNLESS it is something being taught by a fellow ('young earth') creationist.

Now how about you give us a lesson on the difference between a hoar frost, a 'white' frost, grass/ground frost, air frost, rime and glaze/freezing rain, Bob. Or - if that is too advanced for you you could read this (which wasn't written by creationists so can you trust it):
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/learning/temperature/frost

We had hoar frost here early on Monday morning as I viewed the lunar eclipse. It followed a sunny chilly day with - I assume - low humidity.


The narcissism of Ashley Haworth-Roberts will not allow him to admit that Cowboy Bob Sorensen has other atheopath stalkers. Ashley Haworth-Roberts denies the reality that stalking in a crime in many countries including the UK. Ashley Haworth-Roberts is so full of hate that he will choose a short phrase to condemn someone as 'not a Christian' but he has clearly rejected the Christianity that he claims to have embraced again. Ashley Haworth-Roberts is irrelevant and incoherent.
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YEC and apologist for liar 'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:37 pm

MisterGordons wrote:
a_haworthroberts wrote:The latest proof that this person is motivated by hatred of people who question his online claims and NOT by Christian behaviour or evangelism:

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
''By the design of the Great Creator, water freezes and ice melts at 32°F. At this temperature, an icy road usually has a thin layer of water molecules interacting with the ice molecules beneath. The ice is freezing the water at the same rate the water is melting the ice. When salt is added, it lowers the water’s freezing point. The result is that the ice can’t freeze the water, but the water continues to melt the ice, reducing the ice on the road.
How does salt lower the freezing point of water? By the design of the Great Creator, when dissolved in water, salt (NaCl) splits into sodium and chlorine ions which form weak chemical bonds with water molecules (H2O). This solution stays liquid at much lower temperatures than pure water because the sodium and chlorine ions “get in the way” and impede crystallization of the water molecules into ice because the ions have bonded with water molecules.
Warning: too advanced for atheopath stalkers:
https://biblescienceguy.wordpress.com/2 ... elt-ice/''

What a hypocrite and liar this bigot is. I will continue to 'stalk' him because he is a liar, a coward, a fool and a hate-filled bigot (wearing 'biblical Christian' clothing).

Salt lowers the freezing point of water, bigot Bob. As I see the article informs readers. But - yes I learnt something new about ions in the article, even though the article was written by a creationist. Whereas Bob refuses to learn anything UNLESS it is something being taught by a fellow ('young earth') creationist.

Now how about you give us a lesson on the difference between a hoar frost, a 'white' frost, grass/ground frost, air frost, rime and glaze/freezing rain, Bob. Or - if that is too advanced for you you could read this (which wasn't written by creationists so can you trust it):
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/learning/temperature/frost

We had hoar frost here early on Monday morning as I viewed the lunar eclipse. It followed a sunny chilly day with - I assume - low humidity.


The narcissism of Ashley Haworth-Roberts will not allow him to admit that Cowboy Bob Sorensen has other atheopath stalkers. Ashley Haworth-Roberts denies the reality that stalking in a crime in many countries including the UK. Ashley Haworth-Roberts is so full of hate that he will choose a short phrase to condemn someone as 'not a Christian' but he has clearly rejected the Christianity that he claims to have embraced again. Ashley Haworth-Roberts is irrelevant and incoherent.



Though Gordons may not know this, around 48 hours ago I sent two messages to Sorensen (via his Stormbringer's Thunder blog page) criticising new blog posts of his. I believe that in his Facebook comment ''too advanced for atheopath stalkers'' the intellectual coward and bigot Sorensen was primarily lashing out at ME in retaliation. (Because his motivation is intolerance and hatred.)

I am no 'narcissist', Gordons.

You who recently demanded that members of this forum say something 'nice'.

I am NO 'criminal', Gordons. I have never ever threatened your hero (I have called him names but I have never made threats - from across the Atlantic). I am simply defending science and reality (and myself as applicable) against 'Christian' bigotry and lying and hate.

But are you sure that Sorensen is 'not' a criminal for repeatedly falsely libelling me in blog posts on the world wide web?

You are the irrelevant and incoherent one on this community forum - and also the hypocritical one who condemns things in moderate Christians or non-Christians that you APPLAUD when 'Cowboy Bob Sorensen' does them.
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YEC Bob Sorensen - hatemonger, unrepentant liar

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:38 am

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/ (under a post about Intelligent Design)
''... I found out last night that one furious criminal cyberstalker is so narcissistic, he thinks he is the only one I could have possibly been referring to at the end of my introduction to the recent post on salt and ice.,,''.

LIAR. I NEVER said what you are falsely claiming, hypocrite. I NEVER said you were 'only' referring to me. READ my post at 1.16 am GMT on 24 January, LIAR. Including the phrase ''... this person is motivated by hatred of people who question his online claims...''.

But - if you were 'not' only referring to me - tell us WHO ELSE you were referring to. Give us the names of your other 'atheopath' stalkers, or 'criminal' cyber stalkers. (Or shut your lying mouth.)

And you WERE falsely libelling me - out of revenge because I have the courage and determination to expose your false online claims (and hypocritical behaviour). I am the person you falsely call a 'criminal' cyber stalker or 'atheopath' stalker. I know your mind, LIAR. I know how you BEHAVE. How you falsely demonise.

I am now MORE Christian than you - hypocrite and liar.
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YEC Bob Sorensen - pure evil (as I've said for YEARS)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:46 pm

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''The word "evil" is used far too often (according to one criminal cyberstalker, I am "evil" for exposing his logical fallacies and hypocrisy) ...''.

No. All you have exposed is your own utter (or should that be gutter) dishonesty, misrepresentation, outright lying against your nemesis, and sheer COWARDICE.

This thread (together with various wide circulation emails sent over the past eight years or so) explains how Sorensen is indeed pure evil. A unrepentant liar, hate-monger, bigot and hypocrite who likes wearing Christian clothing.

(And he also likes the liar Ken Ham - who parrots the hypocrite and pathologically dishonest neo-fascist non-Christian Trump:
https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken- ... dia-story/)
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YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposes himself

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:02 am

Wide circulation email as just sent:

(1)
Why should anyone believe (the already proven pathological and hate-filled liar 'Christian' Bob Sorensen) when he chooses to lie, repeatedly, about present day climate change - and then insists there was a 'global' flood less than 5,000 years ago and that that was followed by a 'rapid' ice age that is not only not in the Bible but is contrary to Genesis 8:22?

Especially when he chooses to invent a new LIE against me every time I expose his previous LIE against me?

The man is an evil hypocrite as well as a rank coward who is afraid to debate me directly (because it's easier to post lies in places on the internet where I cannot respond to those lies).

On 29 January I exposed this hate-filled lie against me:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=1230

On 30 January (but I guess it was pre-planned) Sorensen falsely called me a 'bigoted liar' yet again and falsely claimed that the BCSE post below showed that (yet again he failed to explain how - because he can't and he knows that he can't - but he hates me intensely for that reality):
https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... flood.html
http://www.forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewto ... 830#p52328

The new Sorensen post of 30 January flags this young earth creationist pseudo-science:
https://www.icr.org/article/geoengineer ... d-ice-age/

Comments by Hebert of the ICR and by Sorensen are NOT remotely biblical (as well as made-up facts that have NO supporting scientific evidence or widely accepted scientific hypotheses in their favour). Namely: ''this experiment reminds us of how explosive volcanic eruptions, like the Pinatubo eruption, helped cause the post-Flood Ice Age''; ''during the Genesis Flood, hot magma from the mantle rapidly formed new seafloor at the ocean ridges'' and ''but in reality [that's the reality of Hebert choosing to reject the reality of millions of years of time separating different major volcanic eruptions in totally different places], these massive eruptions occurred during the Genesis Flood and in the centuries after'', and Sorensen's false and evidence-free claim that ''sunlight reflection and oceanic warming caused by the Flood's volcanism were key ingredients for the one Ice Age we did have'' [the evidence for multiple, very lengthy by YEC standards, ice age glaciations is very compelling indeed even if the exact astronomical causes not yet fully understood].

An honest and pro-science (evangelical) Christian made related comments, on ice core data and the YEC falsehoods concerning these that help them try to justify a 'young Earth' and (entirely fictional) 'recent' and 'post-flood' ice age, here (on 27 January):
https://www.facebook.com/pages/category ... 031042432/

(2)
Meanwhile, YEC Jonathan Sarfati wants to teach young earth creationist Christians some stuff about the recent total lunar eclipse (and his article, parts of which I skimmed a bit, does contain a lot of useful or interesting scientific information):
https://creation.com/supermoon-eclipse
And he also tries to put right any people who think Earth is flat rather than spherical. (Because some young earth creationists - and others - DO think Earth is flat you see. And in the case of the creationists, it's because of Bible verses you see.)
For once Sarfati has written an article that it is hard for this non-YEC (now a church goer again) pro-science commentator to disagree with. With his final paragraph in mind, can we look forward to Sarfati's CMI colleagues stopping insisting that there was an unbiblical as well as fictitious 'ice age' after the claimed 'Genesis' flood and stopping (unbiblically and unnecessarily) denying that current HUMANITY-caused climate change/global warming (look at the trend in world temperatures look at the massive current Australian heatwave) is really occurring.

We can live in hope that they will drop their pseudo-science and their science denial? Or maybe not. Since the same (more clever than Sorensen and Ken Ham) young earth creationist also insists on a violent 'global flood' (for which there is, as other creationists have admitted, 'no trace'):
https://creation.com/could-the-flood-have-been-tranquil
(Well at least that - apparently - global flood IS actually in the Bible. Unlike a fictional 'recent' and 'rapid' ice age, or the false claim that current climate change is 'not' anthropogenic.)
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YEC Bob Sorensen - fascist liar and internet bully

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:32 pm

Email as just sent:

Well I myself NEVER asked to be 'friends' with this person - who appears to be twisted with demonic hatred and in ferocious denial of reality, including his own mindset (photo attached of his latest cowardly ravings on Facebook):
https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''Oh, goodie! A "friend suggestion". Let's see...
He's a criminal cyberstalker who denies that cyberstalking is a crime. [I am NOT 'criminal.']

He's confessed to stalking. [Liars and bullies deserve to be exposed.]

He hates me (biblically, that means he wants me pushing up the daisies). [And you hate me back - for telling the truth.]

He lies about me, and about other biblical creationists. [No I do NOT. Prove that I 'lie', liar.]

He called God a liar and then swore by God that he does not use fake names. [I do NOT use 'fake names', LIAR.]

He calls everyone he disagrees with a liar, often adding "fascist". [LIAR. But YOU are a Trump supporting right wing fascist.]

He is amazingly narcissistic. [Simply tenacious and committed - which you HATE.]

He spams through email and weblog comments to tell people how wonderful he is and how bad biblical creationists are (see next point). [You do exactly that - in REVERSE. You HATE all anti 'biblical' creationists.]

He has been proven to be a liar himself. [PROVE IT, LIAR.]

He has had his "logic" refuted by many people. [LIAR.]

He is "more Christian" than I am.
http://www.forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php… [Not difficult.]

He is never wrong, except when it's someone else's fault. [Garbage.]

He is the Maxine Waters of anti-creationists. [Who?]

He constantly calls people "liar", but cannot show actual lies. Disagreement, yes. Lies, no. [LIAR. PROVE your hate-motivated LIE is true.]

No, Fazebook, I do not want a "friend" like this.'' [Good. I am not your friend. I detest hypocritical liars and bullies.]

A further point is that this fascist liar with hardline religious tendencies, and his fascist sidekick who has today tried to falsely demonise me as approving of 'killing babies', frequently make hate-motivated false accusations against me on their closed forums - but often without actually naming me. When I refute their lies against me (or about scientific topics) they falsely pretend that they weren't even talking about me. But they have NEVER demonstrated in such cases that they were 'not' talking about me. They WERE talking about me - and I am not a 'narcissist' as these hate-filled fascist liars are trying to claim. Nor am I coward - and they are NOT going to shut me up.


PS The fascist thug (and 'Christian') Curtis Long wrote this against me on their coward facebook page:
''Ash-hole Hitler-Robbers thinks telling the truth about him is hate speech. He ignored the post about baby killers and assumed he was being talked about. It's all about him. Guess he approves of killing babies.'' I won't waste any more time on these lying scum (this evening).
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YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive unrepentant liar

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:28 pm

So who pumps out hardcore anti-scientific apologetics, false attacks upon myself and probably other critics too, and various forms of right wing bigotry onto the world wide web every single day?
'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen.
And who challenges this bully and bigot 'Christian' with facts and reality?
Me (mostly).
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YEC Bob Sorensen - unrepentant LIAR

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:23 pm

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''... Meanwhile, he keeps on proving both of us right ... [link to this thread]''.

No - I have proven you two to be hate-filled LIARS, HYPOCRITES and COWARDS. That being just your latest lie, LIAR.
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YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:30 pm

http://www.biblecreation.com/2019/02/or ... ssage.html
https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... ation.html
''... some seemed to want actual discussion ...''.

Like any fundamentalist, liar Sorensen only wants discussion on HIS terms. If you challenge him (and persist despite being ignored or fobbed off) you get banned or blocked - and then labelled a 'cyberstalker' in a cowardly and fact-free manner.

And this evil self-promoting bitter and twisted hypocrite is LYING about me again and falsely suggesting that I am in a 'mental hospital' (because I criticised Trump - and das ist verboten mein Herr).
https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
''I was informed by irrelevant spam comments on one of my weblogs that Donald Trump is a "hardcore racist". How does someone in a UK mental hospital know this? He already hates Trump, calling him a "fascist" (thereby showing that he has no idea what that word means), calls me a fascist because I reluctantly voted for Trump, and because he found leftist sources that agree with his hatred of Trump. Makes perfect sense.
Also, the Democrat Party is the party of racism and hypocrisy.''

Well if you look at my facebook page (in the next few minutes from now) you will see a selfie taken just now. When I am at HOME. And perfectly sane.
And here was Trump excusing threatening or violent far right racism (Sorensen and his sidekick Long claim to abhor racism but Sorensen still voted for and still defends a racist President - because he hates Democrats with pure venom):
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ottesville


PS at 8.58 pm:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/06/poli ... index.html
Funny how Republican politicians and their supporters lie about the opposition - and the 'fake news' media ...
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Young earth creationist zealots - a menace to science

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:14 pm

https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... earth.html
https://www.icr.org/article/mantle-wate ... ung-ocean/ (referencing this: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0655-4)
According to that 'critical thinker' Sorensen: '' ... new research regarding the volume of ocean water menaces deep time beliefs as well.''

The paper's abstract concludes: ''Because a long-term net influx of water to the deep interior of Earth is inconsistent with the geological record, estimates of water expelled at volcanic arcs and backarc basins probably also need to be revised upwards''.

Clarey states: ''the volume [of water] being input into the mantle is much greater than the smaller volume that is observed coming back out. This doesn’t bode well for the long-term stability of ocean levels or total volume.'' Except that NOBODY is suggesting that the oceans are progressively EMPTYING.

Clarey continues: ''Have scientists really miscalculated the amount of water coming out of the mantle? [into our oceans]'' It would seem so.

Unless of course you wish to indulge in some PSEUDO-science that purports to be 'biblical'. Namely: ''God’s Word tells us of the global Flood that occurred about 4,500 years ago, destroying the world that then was (2 Peter 3: 5-6). It also appears that runaway subduction was one of the mechanisms used to bring about this global catastrophe. [I thought these loonies claimed that their totally imaginary 'runaway subduction' only happened during that flood.]
So, the net loss of water [WHAT net loss?] from the oceans hasn’t been going on for billions of years as secular geologists suppose. It has only been occurring for around 4,500 years. Our oceans still hold about 97% of the world’s total water because they are young.''

Yet another epic FAIL by 'creation science'/'flood geology'.

This has NOTHING to do with the age of the Earth.

But Sorensen is excited nevertheless. He will of course ignore (or try to ridicule) this rebuttal - by insisting that I am 'illogical' or stupid or 'mental' or whatever.
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YEC Bob Sorensen liked this

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:15 am

https://www.icr.org/article/111387
Convincing eh? Meteorites and a still shrinking and cooling moon (possibly). Hey presto it must be just 6,000 years old. Solved.

Or then again:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3517306413
''... All age determination approaches continue to indicate that lunar lobate scarps were active in the late Copernican, with some scarps possibly experiencing activity within the last 100 Ma.''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_period
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