YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

[a_haworthroberts]

On the (last) ice age - in the Gobi Desert.

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2018/05 ... aults.html
Pushing this:
https://crev.info/2018/03/geology-subducting-theories/
Which flags this:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 085406.htm 'Glaciers in Mongolia's Gobi Desert actually shrank during the last ice age.'
Which puts a final nail in the coffin of those made-up YEC ice age 'theories' involving VAST amounts of snow falling everywhere away from equatorial regions, even in dry areas (whilst rejecting astronomical factors that made summers in particular colder so ice and snow did not melt). Good job that ice age is NOT in the Bible, fools.

But of course Coppedge and Sorensen twist the meaning of what has been discovered. They ignore the fact that the Gobi is a cold desert and that there is at least one glacier or indeed icefield there TODAY - Yolyn Am. So there would have been a pre-existing glacier before the (last) ice age too. Yet the fool/liar Coppedge (because he believes there was a 'global flood' just before the fictional YEC ice age) writes: "The findings reveal that cold alone is not sufficient to form glaciers". NOBODY thinks that it is. "Actually, what is needed is abundant precipitation". Even if astronomical factors (rejected by astronomer and YEC Coppedge) were not enough, that 'abundant precipitation' clearly NEVER EVER happened in the Gobi DESERT during the (last) ice age. But idiot Sorensen also fails to notice the problem: "The Genesis Flood models provide necessary and sufficient conditions to explain the Ice Age, however." LIAR. In the Gobi Desert those models are now 100 per cent FALSIFIED. The glaciers and icefield should have grown (or formed in the first place with all that alleged rain and then snow) when it got colder. They DID NOT. The pre-existing glacier shrank due to drought and melting or sublimation - not particularly surprising to real scientists.

Remember - the YEC position is that the Gobi Desert icefield and glaciers FORMED during a 'post-flood ice age'. How could a glacier shrink - and be formed - at the same time?

And these same morons see glaciers shrinking worldwide TODAY - and REJECT man-caused climate change (for purely religious and political reasons).

Sorensen's answer to my post?
https://stormbringer005.blogspot.com/20 ... e-age.html
I'm ''uneducated ... but still an expert...''. In other words all he has got in reply is hateful sarcasm. Some of his demented followers will notice this - but they will carry on following him no doubt because they too are lying fundamentalist bigots with a huge chip on their shoulder (OK maybe I've got a chip too but I don't post lying hate blogs mixed with Bible messages, I post rebuttals to lying hate blogs or sometimes pro-actively defend science and scientists against false libel).

[a_haworthroberts]

Email as just sent:

Sorensen is "falsely attacking me (for his normal purpose of false propaganda but also because he has a seething hatred for me - because I tell the truth about him and it's not pretty) over this BCSE comment:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52177&hilit=unethically#p52177

Before God, Sorensen is - as I have been telling many of you for years - a pathological liar and hate-filled hypocrite (and I have publicly exposed his misbehaviour over many years):
https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
"A three-panel "comic" I put together. An angry atheist was caught lying about using fake names, so he covered up by swearing "before God". He inadvertently supported Scripture and presuppositional apologetics by appealing to the ultimate authority — but as an atheist, he suppresses the truth in unrighteousness. This jasper also called God a liar, so the demon inside is having a great time pulling his strings. Atheism is incoherent and irrational, full of arbitrary assertions and self-contradictions."

The man is pure evil."

[a_haworthroberts]

You are on your way to hell. Or there is no god. Choose. If it's the former repent of your EVIL (or are you being controlled by the devil and unable/unwilling to stop LYING and HATING).

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52180#p52180

[a_haworthroberts]

In addition saying I've said "God is a liar" greatly over-simplifies anything I recall saying here or elsewhere. I may have said something like "if what Sorensen says is true God must be a liar" or "if what YECs say about science is true God is demanding that we believe lies".

When Sorensen levels this charge, he normally fails to provide any link that backs it up:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/ (13 May)
" ...I have a confession to make: I am not a real Christian, but instead, I am a pathological liar. Yes, I present science and theology affirming creation and refuting evolution, and lying, to get you to believe in a holy God that hates deceit. But then, this determination comes from a "former Christian" who knows nothing about theology or the finished work of Christ on the cross, nor of how salvation works. He also has called God a liar.
Strange that someone who believes God does not exist (except when he wants to call God a liar) and that Hell does not exist is certain that I am going there despite my biblical confession of faith...".

I do not know whether or not God exists even though Sorensen regularly calls me an 'atheist'. I know that YEC is utterly false. And have discovered many that many YECs are serial liars (and that TEs and OECs are not).

[MisterGordons]

In addition saying I've said "God is a liar" greatly over-simplifies anything I recall saying here or elsewhere. I may have said something like "if what Sorensen says is true God must be a liar" or "if what YECs say about science is true God is demanding that we believe lies".

When Sorensen levels this charge, he normally fails to provide any link that backs it up:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/ (13 May)
" ...I have a confession to make: I am not a real Christian, but instead, I am a pathological liar. Yes, I present science and theology affirming creation and refuting evolution, and lying, to get you to believe in a holy God that hates deceit. But then, this determination comes from a "former Christian" who knows nothing about theology or the finished work of Christ on the cross, nor of how salvation works. He also has called God a liar.
Strange that someone who believes God does not exist (except when he wants to call God a liar) and that Hell does not exist is certain that I am going there despite my biblical confession of faith...".

I do not know whether or not God exists even though Sorensen regularly calls me an 'atheist'. I know that YEC is utterly false. And have discovered many that many YECs are serial liars (and that TEs and OECs are not).

The meat machine Ashley Haworth-Roberts was not named in the post but complains anyway. He cannot decide whether or not he is an atheist because he has made claims either way. He has seen and complained about an article by the meat machine Cowboy Bob Sorensen viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=735#p51198 .

[a_haworthroberts]

Well the YEC interpretations of the past that are based partly upon Genesis (and partly on showing scientists to be 'wrong').

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2018/07 ... s-and.html
https://www.wretched.org/07-19-2018/ (from 15 minutes in)

I was going to ignore all this after reading it and get on with my evening - even though Ken Ham, contrary to what Sorensen says, very rarely provides scientific evidence for his claims (and he NEVER answers a single question I have posed to him via his website, via his email or via this page).

However, Bob has given me a free plug so it would be churlish of me not to acknowledge that:
''Can anti-creationists give reasoned responses? This guy certainly cannot. He prefers to demonize people who threaten his worldview with reality, spams people (even when they ask not to be sent his stuff), and has posted hundreds of libelous attacks on biblical creationists...
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2967&start=1785#p52124''

That's a bit rich coming from Sorensen. Who also never directly addresses questions I have posed to him via his website, via his email or via this page - whilst hypocritically accusing me of ignoring stuff he posts (in large quantities) on a daily basis.

Is calling a person doing the work of the devil (deliberately spreading lies about people) demonising Bob? Or is attacking satan 'demonisation'?

Bob has never shown any evidence of belonging to the Christian god. Yes he talks the right talk and often believes the right things about the Bible's teachings. So does the devil we are told (James 2:19). It's Bob's invariably intemperate and false (false about me anyway) words when attacking other people, and his general evasive and hateful behaviour, that I am referring to. His evasions include flagging my BCSE posts and then saying, falsely, that I 'cannot' give reasoned responses - whilst TOTALLY ignoring the CONTENT of my responses (or sometimes quote-mining me). This is all part of his longstanding internet campaign against non-YEC people that is entirely motivated by hatred.

He is very fond of telling other people that they need to 'repent'. I've never seen Bob repent and change his behaviour.

I won't waste peoples' time with one more email pointing out the hatred of liar Bob.

They've already got something meatier in their inboxes (not only from me but from Michael R and Paul B) after I flagged (among other articles) the absurd nonsense in the AiG article that the Cowboy Builder was championing here:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2018/07 ... smoky.html
See: https://answersingenesis.org/geology/pl ... mountains/

The emails concerned mountains, cave formation, and intolerant biblical creationists bothered about information put out by the likes of the US National Parks Service.

[a_haworthroberts]

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
"Most of us probably know someone who tries to build up his or her ego by attacking others...". We do indeed, Bob.

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2018/07 ... s-and.html
''Can anti-creationists give reasoned responses? This guy certainly cannot. He prefers to demonize people who threaten his worldview with reality, spams people (even when they ask not to be sent his stuff), and has posted hundreds of libelous attacks on biblical creationists. Ken Ham and others ruin some foundations of atheism by refuting evolution and deep time, and supporting special creation. Darwin's loyalists need those years for their own machinations'';
''Most of the objections that village atheists use logical fallacies that are essentially red herrings — distractions. Worse than that, they are methods of emotional manipulation used while they evosplain our stupidity.''

(Just the latest example I've seen.)

[a_haworthroberts]

Email as sent:


Sorensen is a far right extremist.

And a proven deliberate liar motivated not by Christianity but by hatred and by a need to assert, using provocative language in social media platforms, some kind of superiority over everyone who does not share his extreme beliefs (people he refuses to have an intelligent conversation with, preferring instead to demonise them behind their back instead of answering their questions - because he knows he cannot answer them):
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52176&hilit=oumuamua#p52176

He just cannot stop. He will never ever repent of his hypocrisy and hate:
https://stormbringer005.blogspot.com/20 ... -soon.html

For your information - Bob is lying by omission (yet again) with his link where he attacks me regarding Oumuamua (which now appears to have been a comet rather than an asteroid). I answered the electric universe pseudo-science he dredged up from somewhere else on the internet. Instead of addressing my response he prefers to demonise. Because I believe - no I know - that he is a fake, not a real Christian, and controlled by evil - or Satan if you prefer.
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52023&hilit=electric#p52023
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52068&hilit=electric#p52068

His latest comments are proof (from the horse's mouth) that he has NO argument against me regarding Oumuamua (and the other recently reported apparently once captured inter-stellar asteroid with a less exotic name found in the vicinity of Jupiter) being the death knell for a '6,000 year old universe'. All he can do is IGNORE the details of what I have written (I'm no genius Bob just cleverer than you it would seem) and assert that I am 'feckless' and make other stupid and insulting comments. "People need to learn to use some restraint". Everyone 'apart from' Cowboy Bob Sorensen that is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_object
This page does not say the discovery falsifies a 6,000 year old universe. I think you can guess why that was unnecessary.

His post also contains falsehoods about 'Lucy' and Neanderthals. He has no interest in scientific facts he dislikes and zero respect for anybody who disagrees with his claims. And he is a young earth creationist. It's funny how theistic evolutionists and old earth creationists rarely if ever resort to deliberate lying and demonisation. Or maybe it's just that hypocritical liars always choose young earth creationism - the odd honest yec either abandons the position or somehow manages to avoid all the bad behaviour that Sorensen exults in.

Creation Ministries International - you are tainted by your associations with this individual. As are all Christians who support his hate and lie pages and/or allow him to write 'guest' articles or appear on their radio programmes.

[a_haworthroberts]

A particularly vicious, arrogant and determined (far right) liar.

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
"Fazebook is hurting, and is it really a surprise? They coddle leftist causes and subgroups that are the darlings of leftists, but slap down Christians, Conservatives, biblical creationists, people who show scriptural and medical reasons against aberrant behavior, and more. They call Conservative, Christian, and reports exposing the truth about global climate change "fake news" (and censoring these) while PROMOTING leftist fake news. Won't be long before Bookface is leftist paradise, and sensible people are on platforms like MeWe and Tea Party Community, among others. Markie is doing a bit of "take the money and run"."

Most of the fake news on Facebook is from the far right not against it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37983571
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ook-brexit

He lies about politics and climate. So why should anybody believe his claimed biblical 'science'? Is there anything he tells the truth about?

I suspect Sorensen gets his news from 'alternative' rather than 'mainstream' news media. (Which I suspect is what online hate-mongers, including 'Christian' ones, tend to do.)

[MisterGordons]

Once again the quest for revenge by Ashley Haworth-Roberts drives him into further irrationality. To claim that the political views of the meat machine known as Cowboy Bob Sorensen is illogical. Ashley Haworth-Roberts omitted the fact that what was quoted was an introduction to this link http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/mark-zuc ... eleration/

To say that the Cowboy is not a Christian is simply an hysterical reaction and effort to avoid what he has said. According to Christian theology demons do not tell people to trust the Christian Bible. Cowboy Bob Sorensen posted about an important dogma of Christianity and defended the Trinity http://www.biblecreation.com/2018/07/th ... inity.html

The Cowboy has a statement of faith http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/p/state ... faith.html

'Creation Ministries International - you are tainted by your associations with this individual. As are all Christians who support his hate and lie pages and/or allow him to write "guest" articles or appear on their radio programmes.' This is another example of the hypocrisy of Ashley Haworth-Roberts and a demonstration of his desire for revenge. He hates Creation Ministries International. They and others like them have explained that such claims are foolish because the acceptance of a disreputable creationist would further undermine the efforts of creationist organsations. Ashley-Haworth-Roberts should approve of their mutual association.

BCSE allows constant defamation and this reflects poorly on the organisation.

[a_haworthroberts]

Once again the quest for revenge by Ashley Haworth-Roberts drives him into further irrationality. To claim that the political views of the meat machine known as Cowboy Bob Sorensen is illogical. Ashley Haworth-Roberts omitted the fact that what was quoted was an introduction to this link http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/mark-zuc ... eleration/

To say that the Cowboy is not a Christian is simply an hysterical reaction and effort to avoid what he has said. According to Christian theology demons do not tell people to trust the Christian Bible. Cowboy Bob Sorensen posted about an important dogma of Christianity and defended the Trinity http://www.biblecreation.com/2018/07/th ... inity.html

The Cowboy has a statement of faith http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/p/state ... faith.html

'Creation Ministries International - you are tainted by your associations with this individual. As are all Christians who support his hate and lie pages and/or allow him to write "guest" articles or appear on their radio programmes.' This is another example of the hypocrisy of Ashley Haworth-Roberts and a demonstration of his desire for revenge. He hates Creation Ministries International. They and others like them have explained that such claims are foolish because the acceptance of a disreputable creationist would further undermine the efforts of creationist organsations. Ashley-Haworth-Roberts should approve of their mutual association.

BCSE allows constant defamation and this reflects poorly on the organisation.

No hypocrisy or irrationality on my part liar Gordons. And I documented my claim of 29 July about Sorensen so people could read it for themselves in context.

Either CMI should abandon Sorensen or they shouldn't because they approve of Sorensen's lying. Let's see which it turns out to be.

I'm speaking for MYSELF (not the BCSE), on an open forum from which Sorensen wouldn't be blocked if he had the integrity and courage to come on here and attempt to SPECIFICALLY refute what I write (rather than just lying and avoiding all specifics).

I provide specifics when I expose Sorensen lying and hating. Unlike Sorensen (see quotation below) when he tells his fellow bigots on his Facebook page that a critic somehow failed to prove him a liar because they allegedly left something (that Sorensen then left out) out.

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
''This comic is an excellent illustration of how atheists and evolutionists use selective citing, loaded questions, misleading terminology, confirmation bias, and more to "prove" their points. (For that matter, I had an atheopath "prove" that I'm lying by quoting one of my articles, and then stopping the quote right where I provided a link that proved him wrong!) People who like to study logic can have a field day with this. -CBB
https://www.facebook.com/WHYOutreach/ph ... &theater'' (posted 4 hours ago)

Ooh Sorensen proved me wrong with a link which I then didn't quote! You've got an open goal there Bob. Go on - score a goal against me for the first time! You know you want to.

Go on - play your trump card. Make my day

[a_haworthroberts]

Message sent to him via his Stormbringer's Thunder blog at 10.50 pm:

Further to my wide circulation email at 10.33 pm BST. That was all about you. See also my new posts about you at the BCSE community forum on 29 July. Tell the world how I 'failed' in a recent post proving you a liar because I omitted some unspecified link that somehow proved me a 'liar'.

You will never get rid of me. You are evil - that is why.

And the story of Oumuamua is not going to move on and prove a '6,000 year old universe'.

[a_haworthroberts]

Further message sent to Sorensen direct:

""... I had an atheopath "prove" that I'm lying by quoting one of my articles, and then stopping the quote right where I provided a link that proved him wrong!"
Just words there Bob. Proving precisely nothing against me or anyone else.

So - email me on [I quoted my email address] and score that long-awaited goal against me. Tell me precisely which important nay vital link I chose to omit.

I have saved this message."

[a_haworthroberts]

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
"Some jasper took exception to the comments I made about leftist bias on Bookface. He "proved my wrong" by linking to the leftist-biased BBC. Not smart.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tva ... dmits.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... -bias.html"

Some far right lying young earth creationist took exception to a comment I made on an open forum (that he is scared to join) and 'proved me wrong' by posting on his own closed page a couple of old articles from the website of the right wing Daily Telegraph newspaper - not smart.

I repeat - the fake news on Facebook mostly comes from the far right (and from Russian/pro-Russian sources). That is a fact. Which the BBC reported on eg after the EU referendum. The issue has rarely been out of the news, in the UK and America and elsewhere, in the past two years or more. The interference in democracy has been scandalous.

If Sorensen lies again about my post I will respond via email since this is veering off topic for the BCSE page.

Still waiting for you to score that goal Bob and prove me a 'liar' liar Bob. You were awarded a penalty two days ago - remember?


PS at 12.10 am:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45018516
(Putin prefers Trump to the Democrats.)

[a_haworthroberts]

Does the new Michael Oard article meet with Cowboy Bob's approval?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3889&p=52211&hilit=hawaiian#p52211 (new post at 0.22 BST on 3 August)