Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

[a_haworthroberts]

https://answersingenesis.org/creationis ... ung-earth/
''Tell me please, what are the most compelling scientific evidences of a young earth?''

Will Tony be impressed with Terry's answer?

Will we ever find out?

[a_haworthroberts]

https://answersingenesis.org/homeschool ... textbooks/
''Unfortunately, the reality is that Christian curricula and colleges that teach a literal 6-day creation around 6,000 years ago are the exception, not the norm.''
That' s because both those things are false and the educators wish to inform rather than indoctrinate (whereas AiG prefer to indoctrinate - in home in settings where kids are isolated from their peers and less able to question what you people want them to accept uncritically). ''We are either for Christ or against him ...''. You people are both for Christ and lies and a fundamentalist 'worldview' invented by you and added to what the Bible actually says. You are (Christian) frauds and fakes.

[a_haworthroberts]

[ADDENDUM added early on 5 March GMT, shortly after I sent a wide circulation email after 'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen falsely accused me - again - of 'blatant misrepresentation': https://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2019/0 ... m=facebook
''Romans chapter 8 explains that the whole world is groaning because of sin.'' Not really. See verses 18-23 in the New International Version:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
Romans 8:22 says ''We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time''. You can only make the chapter say what Ken Ham says it says by invoking - maybe with justification - the Curse in Genesis 3 (and I admit that Genesis does mention childbirth as well as the ground):
https://answersingenesis.org/sin/origin ... -creation/
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Also my post headline is not saying that Ham seeks to provide proofs of the Bible not being infallible. But his words highlight that in some cases the Bible is wrong; including on how old it - implies - Earth is.]


https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/
''Here's another example of documented cancer in the fossil record supposedly millions of years old. This is a major problem for those Christians who believe in millions of years, as it means (for them) that cancer (disease) existed before sin.
There are many documented examples of various diseases in fossil bones supposedly millions of years old. But the Bible states clearly that before sin, God declared everything He created “very good” (Genesis 1:31). This would mean God calls cancer “very good.”
For those Christians who believe in millions of years, blaming disease and cancer on God and not our sin is to attack the character of our holy God. Also, allowing death, disease, and bloodshed before sin undermines the atonement and thus the gospel.
The Bible is clear--death, disease, and bloodshed in this world are the result of our sin. Romans chapter 8 explains that the whole world is groaning because of sin. Christians who believe in millions of years need to give up this terrible compromise belief:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/02 ... d-turtle''

Science has discovered the truth - and bigot Ken Ham hates that and so tries to lecture Christians that they should deny science by trying to frighten them that they are 'sinning against God' by accepting scientific reality.

As indeed I see the opening comment highlights. Namely ''It only provides a problem to those who buy into the entirely unscientific and unsupported supposition that the entire universe is only 6,000 years old.
To those of us with the ability to understand science and take it seriously, the existence of cancer (or anything else) in the fossil record doesn’t pose a problem.''

But Ken Ham will never get real. He's too full of pride and messianic zeal.

However 'biblical' timescales alone are NOT the truth of Earth history. We've known that for many many decades now.

[a_haworthroberts]

Message as sent:

https://answersingenesis.org/is-the-bib ... t-support/
''But we do not fear science because we know God’s Word is true ...''.
You people do indeed fear, and post falsehoods concerning, the international evidence-based scientific consensus. Starting with the Bible when discussing 'science' is NOT scientific it is RELIGIOUS.
''... we have seen time and time again that science ultimately confirms the Bible''. No you haven't. That is your religious delusion. When you put on so-called 'biblical glasses' and indulge in 'circular reasoning' - and demand that other Christians believe the same as you people (pseudo-science) about origins.

[a_haworthroberts]

The other day Ham was trying again to insist that current global warming is nothing to do with human activities having added greenhouse gases to Earth's atmosphere altering its composition - apparently the reality of hell somehow rules out the current climate change/global warming is caused by recent human activities.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/201 ... rry-about/

Here's his latest Facebook rant on climate change:
''So "the sky is falling" and climate alarmist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (remember Al Gore's failed predictions!) has a brilliant idea: people need to think about stopping having children! Brilliant! That way humans would become extinct!
I have a climate prediction for her: "While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease" (Genesis 8:22). As this promise comes from God, I will adamantly stand by it! Remember, Al Gore's climate predictions failed, but God's Word doesn't change and never fails:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio ... hildren?''

If you believe this fanatic then humans will 'become extinct' if (some) couples don't have children because Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez asked the drastic question 'Is it okay to still have children?' This same stupid and dishonest fanatic who insists that there was an 'ice age' shortly after God's words at Genesis 8:22 - which do indeed appear to rule out future climate change, climate change from God anyway, after the Genesis flood.

[a_haworthroberts]

https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/
''It's "shocking." They've basically proved there's no God—they recreated the origins of life in a lab. Oh wait—read carefully: they produced a couple amino acids under special conditions. That would be like the scientists who made atoms of iron in a lab in Germany claim they basically made an automobile!
Scientists can put all the intelligence they can into designing experiments to try to justify life arose by chance processes—but life is extremely complex, being built on an information and language system.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa-wa ... e-shocking [the Fox News article references this:
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019 ... 1812098116]''
Fair comment, probably.

BUT diamonds artificially created by humans in lab conditions don't prove anything about how they were formed - over colossal amounts of time - in nature (with or without God's supervision) either:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2967&p=52343&hilit=diamonds#p52343 (post dated 3 January 2019)

[a_haworthroberts]

He's been moaning today about censorship:

https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/
''Earlier Twitter suspended then reinstated after much outrage the #UnplannedMovie account. Censorship against conservative and Christian views is getting worse in America. People need to speak out and stand up for freedom of speech and the free exercise of religion--or we will continue to see this happen in this country. Go see the Unplanned movie and take as many people with you as you can. Showing now in theaters across the country. unplannedfilm.com''

Ever see any criticism and challenges of his bogus claims about history and science on the Answers in Genesis website? Does he ever post blogs answering searching questions (such as the ones I post to this page - https://answersingenesis.org/forms/inquiries/) with convincing responses?

It would seem that the only censorship that anybody should get agitated about is against 'conservative' and 'Christian' viewpoints (by 'Christian' he MEANS conservative whilst pretending that on scientific and historical topics - as opposed to issues like abortion - there is only 'one' Christian viewpoint and it is HIS ie the conservative viewpoint).

[a_haworthroberts]

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfe ... bible.html

[a_haworthroberts]

https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/
''Did Volcanoes Cause the Biggest Mass Extinction Ever?
Now, it’s interesting that secular scientists are willing to accept global catastrophes—as long as it’s not THE global catastrophe: the flood of Noah’s day, as recorded in the Bible! And yet the evidence around the world clearly points to a watery catastrophe! Billions of creatures have been buried in sediments, laid down by water, all over the world. That’s clear evidence for a global flood and yet evolutionary scientists refuse to even consider it because it would wash away the millions of years needed for biological evolution. Learn more: https://answersingenesis.org/apologetic ... on-ever/''

Another pack of lies from Ken Ham. HE is the person refusing to examine the actual evidence in question and instead making bigoted postings that big past floods and the existence of a fossil record somehow prove a recent 'global flood'.

Posts dated 25 April:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=1260

This post is being sent to AiG. Instead of addressing its contents they will BIN it and pretend they NEVER received it:
https://answersingenesis.org/forms/inquiries/

Ken Ham is a LIAR.

[a_haworthroberts]

https://answersingenesis.org/culture/co ... f-our-day/
Based upon the Bible, Ken Ham is (understandably) concerned about certain sexual practices old and new.

But he's also on a crusade against scientific reality: ''We see clearly that the teaching of evolution/millions of years that permeates the education systems (secular and Christian) and much of the church is the Genesis 3:1 attack of today.''

From Genesis 3:1 - “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” From that verse you must understand that scientific knowledge and understanding comes from the Bible and God's word - rather than reality. If you are a disciple of Mr Ham anyway. It's that Genesis 3:1 'Attack' by the devil again. If you disapprove of sexual immorality you must deny science too (because true science comes from the word of God - and the word of Ken Ham that is ADDED to the word of God).

[a_haworthroberts]

https://answersingenesis.org/human-evol ... -americas/
''Check everything against the Word of God and apply biblical history to what you are reading.''

That is not science. It is fundamentalism. (Yet the cultish and hubristic Christian Ham hypocritically insists that he 'loves' science. No, he despises it. Human-caused climate change science - about which the Bible is silent - being a supreme example.)

[a_haworthroberts]

No - it's Christians (ones who tend to accept the clear findings of evidence-based science) who are embarrassing, NOT him (and he even insists that he 'loves' science because he knows that science rejection IS embarrassing):
https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/
''Well, Pat Robertson of The 700 Club, we at Answers in Genesis and the Creation Museum don't "limit Him [God] to 6,000 years.” We limit ourselves to let God tell us what he means in his Word. We don't tell God what he means, and you need to stop telling God what you claim he means.
It's not those of us who take God at his Word who are "embarrassing," it's the other way around! Those like Pat Robertson who adopt man's pagan religion, which includes elements like evolutionary geology based on naturalism (atheism), and add that to God's Word are destructive to the church. This compromise undermines the authority of the infallible Word. It's a major reason why there's been (and continues to be) an exodus from the church of the younger generations. They've been taught to doubt and not believe God's Word, beginning in Genesis. Pat, repent of compromise...
https://relevantmagazine.com/god/so-pat ... nonsense''

Pat Robertson is right about what Ham pushes (the 'Genesis defending' apologetics not the gospel) being nonsensical. How about Ken Ham repenting of lying about the findings of science (and sometimes adding to, distorting, ignoring or selectively quoting) verses in Genesis)?

That embarrassing extra-solar comet Oumuamua (which people like Ham try to ignore) is just ONE proof that (unless God is tricking us) the universe simply CANNOT be just '6,000' years old. A pity Robertson did not quote a few more such examples to back up his argument. There are plenty of them.

[a_haworthroberts]

https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/
''I encourage you to check out this article from Decision Magazine, of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. It looks at why we built the Ark Encounter and Creation Museum, the atheist attacks on religious freedom, the founding of Answers in Genesis, and more. Great article!
https://decisionmagazine.com/biblical-a ... genesis/''

But Billy Graham - unlike his son Franklin and unlike Ken Ham - was not a far right young earth creationist fundamentalist.

[a_haworthroberts]

Ark Encounter attraction becomes - slightly - more authentic:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tucky.html

[a_haworthroberts]

https://answersingenesis.org/ministry-n ... aked-news/
Most of the reports I've seen refer - correctly - to rain damage. Something Looy ignores.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/201 ... od-damage/
AiG didn't build on sand - it was shale.