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a_haworthroberts wrote:http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2018/07/hijacking-science-and-reason-for-evolution.html
Scientific evidence (and history) certainly do not support a 'recent' Genesis Flood and 'recent' creation (which Bob labels 'biblical creation science', but most of it is YEC 'answers' to modern science that are not even in the Bible). The evidence points to lots of regional and local floods during Earth history (eg like the one in Japan yesterday). And to Earth being extremely old and the wider universe even older. Interstellar comet/asteroid Oumuamua (and the other one) DESTROYED YEC timescales - but bigot Bob is in DENIAL of evidence whenever evidence troubles him.
''The previous example about someone ...''. It WASN'T an example. It was some propaganda Sorensen put forward where he created a scenario involved some hypothetical anti-creationist. Bob runs a MILE from reporting REAL and DETAILED attempted conversations on the part of anti-creationists who read his hate pages and challenge some of the bigotry they contain. Sorensen has NO interest in serious exchanges with critics. He just wants to USE people he briefly encounters by way of PROPAGANDA to try and build up a reputation for himself. (For instance I can guarantee that he will NOT speak to me - here or by email - about this post. He will either pretend that it does not exist or else quote from part of it out of context, and without the link, and attack me. This is how he operates; he is a cynical FRAUD.)
And the shit Sorensen is DELIBERATELY REPEATING a PREVIOUS LIE that I pointed out here just recently - because he wants to DELIBERATELY DECEIVE the people who read his blogs, both about scientific evidence and about honest folk who challenge his gutter lying and totally cynical devious behaviour. ''Recently, one angry atheist complained about my post, "Dinosaur Extinction and Chicxulub Revisited", which involved new information casting further doubt on that alleged extinction catalyst. He demanded that I discuss shocked quartz, a subject that had been posted here less than a year previously. He did not (I believe he could not) deal with the material at hand, so he attempted to use a red herring. His "logic" led to the conclusion that the writers of the linked articles and I were lying. No, it is dishonest to ignore the content and attack creationists.''
HERE is my previous answer which this shit is DELIBERATELY ignoring even though I know he will have read it:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52125&hilit=quartz#p52125
''... I asked Sorensen to discuss shocked quartz at the Chicxulub crater. He has refused to do so. Instead he has posted an old article about lightning and about impacts (which mentions shocked quartz). One which makes NO mention of the massive Chicxulub impact crater remains of which are visible today even though it is 66 million years old. YECs have an unpleasant habit of refusing to discuss or mention shocked quartz whenever the Chicxulub crater is being discussed...''. Not only is Sorensen lying about WHY I asked him about shocked quartz, he is also lying that my original post ignored stuff in his blog. This is my earlier post, and then the original one:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52121&hilit=quartz#p52121
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52119&hilit=quartz#p52119
The arrogant and evasive shit is pretending that shocked quartz AT Chicxulub, which he REFUSES to discuss despite me asking him to ACCOUNT for it if there was no impact from outer space or only a 'tiny' one that did not cause a large-scale extinction event (the shocked quartz points to an asteroid/meteorite/comet), is a 'red herring'. It is no such thing' liar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocked_quartz
God - does it bother you that a shit like Sorensen is riding into battle for you? He will take some people to hell because they will wrongly assume that all Christians are evil, hypocritical, have no interest whatsoever in facts or honest dialogue and deliberately lie behind their back about people who challenge their pronouncements, and are consistently intellectually - and thus morally - depraved.
The depths of this man's devious deliberate cynical lying, and thus utter moral depravity, is beyond belief (even after more than five years of his cowardly evil directed towards myself. Thus - I am reluctantly telling the world by email, again (which I was NOT planning to do when I started this post). I am suggesting, and I am not joking, that Bob is of the devil. Reading his shit makes an honest person extremely angry, not least because it takes time to expose CAREFULLY CRAFTED DELIBERATE lies including lies of omission. (Unfortunately for him I HAVE the time AND the motivation and the concentration to do this.)
CHRISTIANS - I BELIEVE SORENSEN IS OF THE DEVIL AND SHOULD BE OSTRACISED UNTIL HE REPENTS OF HIS GUTTER LYING ABOUT PEOPLE HE HATES. THE BIBLE SAYS THE DEVIL IS THE 'FATHER OF LIES'. IT IS FRIGHTENING THAT HE SETS HIMSELF UP AS A 'TEACHER' AND SOME CHRISTIANS REGARD HIM AS JUST THAT.
I HAVE DESTROYED HIM BY EXPOSING HIS LIES OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND HIS HATRED FOR ME IS VERY VERY GREAT.
WERE WE TO MEET FACE TO FACE IN ORDER TO PROPERLY DISCUSS HOW HIS 'RESPONSES' ARE TOTAL LIES EVASIONS AND HYPOCRISY HE WOULD BE EVEN MORE COMPREHENSIVELY DESTROYED BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS ME DIRECTLY AND COULD NOT MISREPRESENT ME OR IGNORE MY PRECISE WORDS BEHIND MY BACK. BUT IF COURSE HE KNOWS THAT WON'T HAPPEN. SO HE CYNICALLY CARRIES ON HIS LYING AND DECEIVING OF OTHERS ABOUT MY ACTUAL WORDS THAT ARE ADDRESSED TO HIM, AND WHICH HE READS BUT THEN DELIBERATE DISTORTS/MISREPRESENTS/IGNORES ACCORDING TO PERSONAL WHIM.
IF THERE IS NO DEVIL THEN SORENSEN IS SIMPLY PURE EVIL.
a_haworthroberts wrote:Someone based in Norway had an encounter with him on his Facebook page in discussion of his 'Hijacking Science and Reason for Evolution' tirade. And made the following observations which so far haven't been deleted.
"We aren't all angryBut if you do want to talk about inconsistancies (on both sides), tricks, outdated science and especially bad logic. Let me know."
"... I wager you just dont want to have a discussion with anyone at all. In my experience, its you guys who are intolerant (see various memes youve posted for evidence) angry and strongly against opposing viewpoints. Ken Ham, Answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries etc etc all thought so, and not once did I get angry or block or delete. I Respect your beliefs, I just like to provide the other side of the discussion";
"... "My logic is ridiculous" - Thats presumptious since you havent even heard it. And how do I speak for all atheists? But it was fun having an intelligent (?) conversation with you. You said that we are angry... You're sounding pretty flustered yourself there. You're just like all the other creation pages out there. "Hey, read my stuff, its real facts and if anyone says otherwise they are ridiculous. I wont defend or argue my point because its all true anyway" A bit like the Bible then. Anyone else that has a different opinion must be bad. Not very Christian behaviour I have to say";
"... But this is typical of a creationist, talk about anything but the issue at hand. If you are allowed to have your opinion on a public forum, then you have to expect that sometimes someone else may have an opposing viewpoint, whichever photo is in the profile...";
"You changed the subject, not me, and turned it to something infantile. I asked for a discussion, you started with my profile. If anything, that proves the intelligence level and juvenile beheviour one comes to expect from these sort of pages. I notice you dont debate like an adult on here, because you can't. Anyone can copy and paste an article that fits with their own narrative. You can always tell when personal attacks start coming in that the opponent has very little to offer. As for my age... Ive been around longer than you could possibly imagine, junior."
In reply Sorensen told the person he had a fake account - and then acted like an adult and a Christian (or how he thinks is acting adult and Christian):
"Appeal to motive, manipulation, straw man...and I'm supposed to have an intelligent discussion wit you? Hide the pain."
"Change the subject and attac, play the victim, tu quoque fallacy...typical atheopath. Atr you old enough to have an account, Skippy?"
"Fakey McFakeface is doing the typical "change the subject and attack" thing, and playing the victim card. -CBB"
His final insult is, unusually, truthful. The demonic pretend 'Christian' Sorensen is Fakey McFakeface and he is describing exactly his OWN misbehaviour.
And it looks like Sorensen can't stand Norwegians as well as all the other people he HATES and LIES about
MisterGordons wrote:a_haworthroberts wrote:http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2018/07/hijacking-science-and-reason-for-evolution.html
Scientific evidence (and history) certainly do not support a 'recent' Genesis Flood and 'recent' creation (which Bob labels 'biblical creation science', but most of it is YEC 'answers' to modern science that are not even in the Bible). The evidence points to lots of regional and local floods during Earth history (eg like the one in Japan yesterday). And to Earth being extremely old and the wider universe even older. Interstellar comet/asteroid Oumuamua (and the other one) DESTROYED YEC timescales - but bigot Bob is in DENIAL of evidence whenever evidence troubles him.
''The previous example about someone ...''. It WASN'T an example. It was some propaganda Sorensen put forward where he created a scenario involved some hypothetical anti-creationist. Bob runs a MILE from reporting REAL and DETAILED attempted conversations on the part of anti-creationists who read his hate pages and challenge some of the bigotry they contain. Sorensen has NO interest in serious exchanges with critics. He just wants to USE people he briefly encounters by way of PROPAGANDA to try and build up a reputation for himself. (For instance I can guarantee that he will NOT speak to me - here or by email - about this post. He will either pretend that it does not exist or else quote from part of it out of context, and without the link, and attack me. This is how he operates; he is a cynical FRAUD.)
And the shit Sorensen is DELIBERATELY REPEATING a PREVIOUS LIE that I pointed out here just recently - because he wants to DELIBERATELY DECEIVE the people who read his blogs, both about scientific evidence and about honest folk who challenge his gutter lying and totally cynical devious behaviour. ''Recently, one angry atheist complained about my post, "Dinosaur Extinction and Chicxulub Revisited", which involved new information casting further doubt on that alleged extinction catalyst. He demanded that I discuss shocked quartz, a subject that had been posted here less than a year previously. He did not (I believe he could not) deal with the material at hand, so he attempted to use a red herring. His "logic" led to the conclusion that the writers of the linked articles and I were lying. No, it is dishonest to ignore the content and attack creationists.''
HERE is my previous answer which this shit is DELIBERATELY ignoring even though I know he will have read it:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52125&hilit=quartz#p52125
''... I asked Sorensen to discuss shocked quartz at the Chicxulub crater. He has refused to do so. Instead he has posted an old article about lightning and about impacts (which mentions shocked quartz). One which makes NO mention of the massive Chicxulub impact crater remains of which are visible today even though it is 66 million years old. YECs have an unpleasant habit of refusing to discuss or mention shocked quartz whenever the Chicxulub crater is being discussed...''. Not only is Sorensen lying about WHY I asked him about shocked quartz, he is also lying that my original post ignored stuff in his blog. This is my earlier post, and then the original one:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52121&hilit=quartz#p52121
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=52119&hilit=quartz#p52119
The arrogant and evasive shit is pretending that shocked quartz AT Chicxulub, which he REFUSES to discuss despite me asking him to ACCOUNT for it if there was no impact from outer space or only a 'tiny' one that did not cause a large-scale extinction event (the shocked quartz points to an asteroid/meteorite/comet), is a 'red herring'. It is no such thing' liar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocked_quartz
God - does it bother you that a shit like Sorensen is riding into battle for you? He will take some people to hell because they will wrongly assume that all Christians are evil, hypocritical, have no interest whatsoever in facts or honest dialogue and deliberately lie behind their back about people who challenge their pronouncements, and are consistently intellectually - and thus morally - depraved.
The depths of this man's devious deliberate cynical lying, and thus utter moral depravity, is beyond belief (even after more than five years of his cowardly evil directed towards myself. Thus - I am reluctantly telling the world by email, again (which I was NOT planning to do when I started this post). I am suggesting, and I am not joking, that Bob is of the devil. Reading his shit makes an honest person extremely angry, not least because it takes time to expose CAREFULLY CRAFTED DELIBERATE lies including lies of omission. (Unfortunately for him I HAVE the time AND the motivation and the concentration to do this.)
CHRISTIANS - I BELIEVE SORENSEN IS OF THE DEVIL AND SHOULD BE OSTRACISED UNTIL HE REPENTS OF HIS GUTTER LYING ABOUT PEOPLE HE HATES. THE BIBLE SAYS THE DEVIL IS THE 'FATHER OF LIES'. IT IS FRIGHTENING THAT HE SETS HIMSELF UP AS A 'TEACHER' AND SOME CHRISTIANS REGARD HIM AS JUST THAT.
I HAVE DESTROYED HIM BY EXPOSING HIS LIES OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND HIS HATRED FOR ME IS VERY VERY GREAT.
WERE WE TO MEET FACE TO FACE IN ORDER TO PROPERLY DISCUSS HOW HIS 'RESPONSES' ARE TOTAL LIES EVASIONS AND HYPOCRISY HE WOULD BE EVEN MORE COMPREHENSIVELY DESTROYED BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS ME DIRECTLY AND COULD NOT MISREPRESENT ME OR IGNORE MY PRECISE WORDS BEHIND MY BACK. BUT IF COURSE HE KNOWS THAT WON'T HAPPEN. SO HE CYNICALLY CARRIES ON HIS LYING AND DECEIVING OF OTHERS ABOUT MY ACTUAL WORDS THAT ARE ADDRESSED TO HIM, AND WHICH HE READS BUT THEN DELIBERATE DISTORTS/MISREPRESENTS/IGNORES ACCORDING TO PERSONAL WHIM.
IF THERE IS NO DEVIL THEN SORENSEN IS SIMPLY PURE EVIL.
Ashley Haworth-Roberts has written the most absurd diatribe he has ever composed. It is self-refuting and hypocritical.
MisterGordons wrote:a_haworthroberts wrote:Someone based in Norway had an encounter with him on his Facebook page in discussion of his 'Hijacking Science and Reason for Evolution' tirade. And made the following observations which so far haven't been deleted.
"We aren't all angryBut if you do want to talk about inconsistancies (on both sides), tricks, outdated science and especially bad logic. Let me know."
"... I wager you just dont want to have a discussion with anyone at all. In my experience, its you guys who are intolerant (see various memes youve posted for evidence) angry and strongly against opposing viewpoints. Ken Ham, Answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries etc etc all thought so, and not once did I get angry or block or delete. I Respect your beliefs, I just like to provide the other side of the discussion";
"... "My logic is ridiculous" - Thats presumptious since you havent even heard it. And how do I speak for all atheists? But it was fun having an intelligent (?) conversation with you. You said that we are angry... You're sounding pretty flustered yourself there. You're just like all the other creation pages out there. "Hey, read my stuff, its real facts and if anyone says otherwise they are ridiculous. I wont defend or argue my point because its all true anyway" A bit like the Bible then. Anyone else that has a different opinion must be bad. Not very Christian behaviour I have to say";
"... But this is typical of a creationist, talk about anything but the issue at hand. If you are allowed to have your opinion on a public forum, then you have to expect that sometimes someone else may have an opposing viewpoint, whichever photo is in the profile...";
"You changed the subject, not me, and turned it to something infantile. I asked for a discussion, you started with my profile. If anything, that proves the intelligence level and juvenile beheviour one comes to expect from these sort of pages. I notice you dont debate like an adult on here, because you can't. Anyone can copy and paste an article that fits with their own narrative. You can always tell when personal attacks start coming in that the opponent has very little to offer. As for my age... Ive been around longer than you could possibly imagine, junior."
In reply Sorensen told the person he had a fake account - and then acted like an adult and a Christian (or how he thinks is acting adult and Christian):
"Appeal to motive, manipulation, straw man...and I'm supposed to have an intelligent discussion wit you? Hide the pain."
"Change the subject and attac, play the victim, tu quoque fallacy...typical atheopath. Atr you old enough to have an account, Skippy?"
"Fakey McFakeface is doing the typical "change the subject and attack" thing, and playing the victim card. -CBB"
His final insult is, unusually, truthful. The demonic pretend 'Christian' Sorensen is Fakey McFakeface and he is describing exactly his OWN misbehaviour.
And it looks like Sorensen can't stand Norwegians as well as all the other people he HATES and LIES about
Once again Ashley Haworth-Roberts is lying by omission and misrepresentation. His purpose in life is to hate.
He did not mention that the 'Norway" account is from 'Meep Moo" whose 'friends' are Deepy Doopy, Mank Mook, Ming Mong and Heep Hoopy. All but one use the 'Hide the pain Harold' meme picture. Meep Moo claims to speak Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic and Spanish but not Norwegian. It is clearly a false identity. The existence of the comments so far proves that Ashley Haworth-Roberts is lying about no atheist comments ever being allowed by the meat machines who run The Question Evolution Project. If this false identity is banned it will clearly be fore a good reason.
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