YEC Bible bigot John Reed (and pathological liar B Sorensen)

[a_haworthroberts]

YEC Bible bigot John Reed PhD 'doing geology'

Or should that be 'undoing'?

He has this week been attacking the Appendix (did he read the rest of the book) of a new book by Martin Rudwick, a leading historian of Earth Sciences (and delighting the uninformed fans of CMI in the process, see their comments underneath and at the CMI Facebook page):
http://creation.com/martin-rudwick-shal ... eationists

However, the book 'Earth's Deep History: How it was Discovered and Why it Matters' has proven rather popular so far at Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Earths-Deep-Histo ... merReviews

Science denier Reed - I've read material by him on the CMI website before and am not using that term lightly - has a book of his own entitled 'Rocks aren't Clocks: a critique of the geological timescale' which appears not to have been much read (it has attracted a single two sentence but five star review):
http://www.amazon.com/Rocks-Arent-Clock ... merReviews

I have not read either book (Amazon.com allows browsers to read extracts from both books online).

Meanwhile Dawkins has had a go at YECs on Twitter:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/richa ... es-139130/
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 5859871745

[jon_12091]

Reed is essentially parading around that old YEC strawman, which actually ignores the fact that even had we not invented radiometric dating or come up with the concept of uniformitarianism, there is still sufficient evidence in the geological record to make YEC untenable as any kind of scientific position. Once you start looking at the relationship of any given geological unit with its lateral and vertical neighbours it very quickly becomes clear that you're looking a kind of puzzle. Granted a complex 3-D one that is probably insoluble in places, but you can put enough of it back together to be certain that (a) there have been numerous changes in sea levels over geological time, (b) that there have been significant environmental changes and/or the rocks aren't in the same place they were deposited and (d) the lower down the geological column you get the more complicated the puzzle and more clear it is that the rocks in question have had a lot happen to them. And that's still ignoring fossils. Creationists, most of them really clueless about geology, assume that you can wave away the geological column once you've denied radiometric dating and paleostratigraphy.

[a_haworthroberts]

Nice to know bigot Bob is still visiting the site - Hi Bob!
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/05 ... g-his.html
Bob is attacking this thread (my opening post was about only the Reed article dated 14 May, and I did not then comment on the further CMI spiel dated 21 May).

Wide circulation email just sent:

"Do you want propaganda or facts?

Option 1:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/05 ... g-his.html
Option 2:
http://www.forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewto ... f=1&t=3664

And note that Bob is an evil hypocritical hateful man. He recently proved himself a stupid fool on his Facebook page - but is now pretending that he did NO SUCH THING (and attacking me in the cowardly fashion that is typical of angry bullies who know that their claims are weak but cannot resist making them anyway).

Compare this link as supplied by Liar Bob:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Super ... 65/?type=1
With this FULL link (which he then does supply but he pretends that there is no glaring difference between what the two links contain):
http://www.forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewto ... f=1&t=3663

Note my comment on the BCSE forum - which at the time Sorensen IGNORED ie DISMISSED on his Facebook page: "He is assuming that Michael Gove IS a creationist. For all his faults, I rather DOUBT it. A Christian probably. A creationist almost certainly NOT (certainly not a 'Cowboy Bob' kind of blanket science denier). Never mind the relevant evidence eh Bob. You will NOT correct yourself on your Facebook page because you ARE a liar.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... ience.html"

Instead of accepting this article which stated re the then Secretary of State for Education Gove "the Department of Education confirmed that Mr Gove is "crystal clear that teaching creationism is at odds with scientific fact,"" Liar Bob then wrote, later on 14 May: "Haywire the Stalker is claiming that I don't know what I'm talking about. Here's a source that misotheists respect, Wikipedia (note the anti-creationist bigotry in the last sentence, as well as the obvious bias in the post): "In June 2012, Gove approved three schools run by creationists leading to concerns about whether Department for Education (DfE) requirements not to teach creationism or intelligent design as science would be met.""

Thus he persisted in proclaiming despite the facts that he 'knew' what he was talking about all along - and that I was therefore wrong or putting words into his mouth. I was not.

Sorensen is an ignorant arrogant fool. He thought Michael Gove is a creationist because an anti-creationist lab technician (I think that's her occupation) at a UK school was criticising him at the BCSE community forum. But Gove is NOT a creationist.

But Liar Sorensen is 'never wrong'. He will censor or twist other peoples' words, or quote-mine from them, in order to prove it! What a disgusting fraud this man is.

Because IF he really was telling the truth now he would have said on his Facebook page on 14 May: "Haywire has misunderstood me". But he didn't. He said: "Haywire the Stalker is claiming that I don't know what I'm talking about."

Thus Bob's whining NOW that my reaction "was to demand that I defend something I did not say" is pure Lies. Liar Sorensen originally used the phrase: "creation-supporting Conservative Member of Parliament Michael Gove". He clearly assumed that Gove was some kind of a creationist (not merely a Christian which he is). When I said that Bob's assumption was wrong and that Gove is "a creationist almost certainly NOT" (and I also posted the Daily Telegraph link confirming that was the case) Liar and Bigot Sorensen refused to concede that he was wrong - and in response posted the Wikipedia page about Gove which he argued showed that he was right all along (and I was wrong) because the page says: "In June 2012, Gove approved three schools run by creationists leading to concerns about whether Department for Education (DfE) requirements not to teach creationism or intelligent design as science would be met". When saying that Gove was 'creation-supporting' (because he approved these free schools) Sorensen assumed Gove was himself a creationist of some kind. His reaction AT THE TIME was "Haywire the Stalker is claiming that I don't know what I'm talking about".

He DIDN'T. Otherwise he would have CLARIFIED at the time what he 'really' meant. But he DID NOT. As I have said PREVIOUSLY. Bob did NOT then write at his Facebook page "although Gove approved three schools run by creationists the evidence shows that he is not a creationist himself". An honest person would have CORRECTED himself. Bob is not an honest person. His new attack is further proof of this.

Hope that Lake of Fire is not real Liar Bob.

If fellow internet YECs had any integrity that would condemn the behaviour of Cowboy Bob.

OK, I'll rephrase my original question! Do you want lying propaganda or truthful propaganda?!

I know which I want.

PS
I quote from my email dated 12 May, re Sorensen: "In a few days he will make further comments on his blog pages accusing me of being a 'liar' or using 'bad logic' or some other rubbish. People like him never learn. Lying has become a way of life for them.""

[a_haworthroberts]

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman
"Haywire the Stalker is FURIOUS about this post, and as usual, cannot connect logical thoughts. One of his comments: "If fellow internet YECs had any integrity that would condemn the behaviour of Cowboy Bob." Another bifurcation fallacy noted." (Sorensen's outburst less than 10 minutes ago.)

Proof POSITIVE - as though it were needed - Bob is pathological Lying Hypocrite destined for hell should hell exist.

Care to deal with what I actually WROTE Bob? Take your time.

NO - I thought not. You CAN'T you Lying Hypocrite.

(Further wide circulation email just sent - with this link.)

[a_haworthroberts]

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/05 ... m=facebook

Incredibly Sorensen has now REMOVED from his blog one of the links I criticised in my post at 23.41 BST on 23 May. What he is NOW calling 'unnecessary material' was his DISHONEST link, which did NOT contain all details of this thread - THIS link from my post at 23.41 pm:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Super ... 65/?type=1

Yet another attempt by this Liar to REWRITE history - and pretend to his stupid and bigoted Facebook rabble that I was attacking something that was not actually included within his blog post.


PS I am taking photos of the link. Do NOT destroy it Liar Bob.

PPS And Liar Sorensen has made OTHER changes to his text that he does NOT inform his readers of. He has now SILENTLY removed his lie about me where he wrote that my reaction towards him "was to demand that I [ie Sorensen] defend something I did not say". This is NOT repentance. It is a person being FOUND OUT as a Liar and hastily trying to cover his tracks. And trying desperately to convince his Facebook and blog rabble that the person who is 'illogical' (or making false claims) is me - and not him. (I have taken the precaution of photographing 'Mark 2' of the Sorensen text lest he be tempted to make any further alterations after the event.) Only liars need to alter their claims after the event; I will not be silently altering ANYTHING here.

[a_haworthroberts]

Actually Sorensen's DECEIT is even WORSE!!

He has removed from his blog the FULL link to THIS incriminating thread about Michael Gove (I was confusing the two BCSE threads just now):
http://forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3663

This b****** is falsely trying to smear me as a 'liar'. But it won't work (because he CANNOT censor these posts or threads - and they expose him as an unrepentant desperate pathological Liar who will stop at Nothing to try and deny that reality).

My comments at 23.41 were of course addressed Sorensen's blog as it appeared THEN:
"Compare this link as supplied by Liar Bob:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Super ... 65/?type=1
With this FULL link (which he then does supply but he pretends that there is no glaring difference between what the two links contain):
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3663"

He posted a blog accidentally incriminating himself! And that will NEVER do.

Thus history must be 'rewritten'!

Go to hell Liar Sorensen.

[a_haworthroberts]

Yet more desperate LIES from Liar Sorensen, nearly 20 minutes' ago:

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman
"Now he's claiming that I deleted the comment just above. Not my fault that he can't use Facebook properly! -CBB".

NO, you Lying S***. I am NOT claiming that you have (at this precise moment at least because I do NOT trust you one millimetre) deleted your preceding Facebook comment: "Haywire the Stalker is FURIOUS about this post, and as usual, cannot connect logical thoughts. One of his comments: "If fellow internet YECs had any integrity that would condemn the behaviour of Cowboy Bob." Another bifurcation fallacy noted."

I am claiming what my posts above TRUTHFULLY state. You have DELETED links and text from your BLOG - because they exposed you as a vicious Liar. You are Sir, as I have been telling you for YEARS, a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. Who I believe is thus causing IMMENSE damage to Christianity.

If you were telling the truth you would also supply a link to this thread on your Facebook page so even the stupidest 'fans' who visit your Facebook page could see that you are LYING.

Do you want to do even more damage to Christianity (and your pathetic reputation)?

Be my Guest if you do. I will EXPOSE your lies every single time. My dedication to the task is endless.

[a_haworthroberts]

If Sorensen was telling the truth and was not an unrepentant serial Liar, he would correct his false claim about me on his Facebook page.

But he ISN'T and he WON'T.

[a_haworthroberts]

People like 'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen are frightening. Bigoted dishonest arrogant people - and hardline intolerant fundamentalist religion - are a dangerous mix.
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/05 ... hobia.html (post dated 24 May)

He does not appear to like being branded a pathological liar. Few pathological liars do (and by their nature they cannot or will not ever admit their mendacity to anyone - and they are unlikely to seek professional help to overcome their urges). And his unspecified claim to have pointed out 'dishonesty' on my part (a typically cowardly claim since he does not have the guts to come HERE and make it and he also bans me from his Facebook page) is beneath contempt. Especially as this whole series of posts is a deafening record of HIS utter deviousness and sheer mendacity and obvious hatred. I have demonstrated Sorensen's intent to DECEIVE people. For instance when he wrote on his 'Evolutionary Truth by Piltdown Superman' blog for 23 May the lie (since hastily deleted when I exposed it as a lie) that my previous reaction towards his claims "was to demand that I [Sorensen] defend something I did not say". Or when he wrote on his Facebook page last night the lie "Now he's claiming that I deleted the comment just above" (I never made such a claim because such a claim would have been a lie and I do not make lying claims about Sorensen only truthful ones).

And has he corrected his false statement - mentioned just now - on his Facebook page? I already KNOW the answer to that question (and I have not even checked yet ie I've just attached the link so far so you can check for yourselves):
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman

Last night I sent a Facebook message to one of those who 'liked' his Facebook post linking to the Piltdown Superman blog for 23 May. Asking whether they actually approve of pathological liars or whether they are merely deluded and think Sorensen is being 'truthful' (slight paraphrase but that's the gist of the message).

How beastly of me to call Mr Sorensen exactly what he is.


(PS I have just renamed this thread as most of it is now about Liar Sorensen.)

[a_haworthroberts]

Just looked at his Facebook page. Found this gem from the Fraud:
"Although I won't pretend to be a psychologist when I say this, Haywire the Stalker does indeed exhibit symptoms of paranoia and narcissism."

I suggest that the person who exhibits such symptoms is Mr 'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen.

Strangely I object to being falsely labelled a liar. He objects to being exposed as a serial Liar. Yes I hate hypocritical serial liars. Which is why I target blogs like his. So?


PS at 18.36: Now Sorensen and his evil fans are calling me 'crazy' and a 'hypocrite' on Facebook. PROVE IT. TELL US ALL IN PRECISE DETAIL WHY ALL MY PRECEDING POSTS HERE DO 'NOT' PROVE BEYOND ANY DOUBT THAT BOB IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. (Or retreat into your cesspit of hate and lies and carry on whining about me.)

PPS at 19.40: A recent 'conversation' with a lowlife named Bill Roam:
https://www.facebook.com/messages/?acti ... b3dfa78263

[a_haworthroberts]

I sent the following Facebook message to Renee Raven Allen who 'liked' this blog post (BOTH versions presumably):
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/05 ... g-his.html

"Why are [you] liking Facebook posts by pathological LIAR Bob Sorensen? Are you a bigoted Liar too? Or just deluded?
http://www.forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewto ... f=1&t=3664"

She did not answer me but has just posted this on Sorensen's Facebook page (it's not entirely clear whether she is partly discussing myself as she mentions 'CH' whoever on earth that might be - she may have got my initials wrong who knows or cares - but in context the conversation WAS about me):
"It should be noted that some people become aggressive if their foundation (worldview) begins to crumble. In small percentage they will become just as described above with behaviour such as stalking, spamming, paranoia and even exhibit a form of narcissism and childish behaviours (regression). This is a self defence mechanism designed to protect the persons strongly held view which suddenly has been shown to have no stability at all. The persons reaction depends entirely on their personality make up and traits and where they fall in the different spectrums. CH for example enjoys doing what he does. He enjoys making a pain of himself and stirring the pot and has been shown to be narcissitic in his internet nature. Everything he does appears to be extremely intentioned and well thought out. Those that ramble on without making an actual point often come from a place of fear which causes the aggression and maladaptive behaviours. The big issue is it is very difficult to "diagnose" these kinds of behaviours over the internet because there are many factors that have to be seen face to face. I should also note that there are different forms of aggression and different triggers for that aggression which turn this modest post into a complete essay. smile emoticon".
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman

Longwinded pomposity and attempted intellectualism that deliberately misses the point about Sorensen's despicable behaviour. I have exposed serial LYING by YECs! My anti-YEC 'worldview' has been GREATLY strengthened by their mendacious and bigoted antics (clearly they expect everybody to be IMPRESSED by Lying but sorry, I am not).

Yet another pathological liar who is or approves of YEC pathological liars.

Fundamentalist religion poisons minds. (And I'm sorry to say that many Americans I have encountered online are crazy with or without it*.)

* PS I don't mean those Americans who espouse science and patiently expose YEC false teachings, I mean people like some appalling aggressive atheist liars that I encountered discussing a P Z Myers blog (though that description did not include the blogger himself.)

[a_haworthroberts]

How full of poison these people are when you expose them as LIARS:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman
"Haywire is stalking and harassing me. His ego is the size of a planet." [Lowlife hate-filled Liar Bill Roam.]
"You got that right! He doesn't care about "science", he just protects that massive ego." [Yet another Lie from pathological Liar Sorensen. I am defending science and defending truth.]
"The more attention you give them, the more they do what they do. Ignore them like a whiny child and they shrivel up like a weed that's been poisoned. I refuse to respond to anyone who msg's me privately that I have not spoken too on a forum and particularly if they threaten me! The wilfully wicked have a terrible life and an even worse after life.... it's quite sad really. Many of them feed off their own insecurities and attempt to project them on to others who are secure... we have a term for it Australia... tall poppy syndrome... see a tall poppy, mow it down! [Lying pomposity from Renee Raven Allen.]

I have PROVEN Sorensen lied.

None of these bigots will even properly address a single word that I wrote. Instead these hypocritical extremists scream and shout on their Facebook hate page. Which just reinforces my certainty that they are hopelessly wrong and desperately fraudulent - and simply increases my determination to expose their relentless evil and hate-filled lying as and when I read it.

This is all about the rather easy if sometimes time-consuming task of debunking the gross LIES of these anti-science egotists and religious zealots, as I have done in this thread. If doing that makes me also an 'egotist' - so be it. (Still waiting to Roam to PROVE me a 'liar'*.)

*
https://www.facebook.com/messages/?acti ... b3dfa78263
All he has done (I cannot access my O2 email today so have only just discovered his 'response') is ask me to read THIS:
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/ [WARNING - THE LOWLIFE HAS SENT ME AN OBSCENE MESSAGE CONTAINING THE 'F' WORD - BECAUSE I HAVE PROVEN HIM TO BE SUPPORTING A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND THUS BEING ANOTHER PATHOLOGICAL LIAR HIMSELF - BY FALSELY CALLING ME A 'LIAR'. EVEN SORENSEN WOULD NOT DO THAT. I SUGGEST THAT ROAM SHOULD CRAWL BACK DOWN HIS SEWER.]


PS Content for this thread now to appear at 'Conversations with Creationists'. (Except that you cannot have a serious conversation with these particular individuals.)

[a_haworthroberts]

More irrelevant whining and posturing from Sorensen less than five minutes' ago here:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman
"Figured I'd let you in on some things. I was advised that since Haywire has been engaging in criminal stalking as well as libel, I should make a response so I could have a better case if I pursued legal action. Since he is banned from many creationist and Christian sites and Pages, he has very little credibility except among other non-thinkers who are motivated by hatred and bigotry, but no credibility with intelligent people. I backed up my claims about his stalking, defamation, and so on, so whatever credibility he has left is probably in the negative numbers. Since I've made my point more than once, I can do the cruelest thing yet, and go back to not giving him the attention he craves. -CBB"

EITHER REFUTE THIS THREAD AND PROVE THAT YOU ARE NOT A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR - OR SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

If Sorensen ignores me but STILL lies on Facebook or on his blog I will STILL expose his lying since this is NOT about 'me' only despite what he says in his increasingly desperate rants.

I am probably more intelligent than him which he hates. But that's probably because he REFUSES to learn anything.

PS at 21.18 pm
"Since he is banned from many creationist and Christian sites and Pages ...". I am ONLY banned from Christian sites that are pushing pseudo-science and science denial, Bob. Other Christian sites which do NEITHER of those things accept my presence, and I salute them. Sites such as bible.and.science.forum, the ex YECs Facebook page, Age of Rocks, Naturalis Historia, GeoChristian, Jimpithecus and possibly others that I have temporarily forgotten (apologies if so).

PPS at 22.20 pm - more Lies from Bill Roam's sewer pipe just over 30 minutes ago, addressing Sorensen: "Yes you made your point. He's mad because you're his intellectual superior by far and have proven it ...". Er - Bob proved NOTHING because he is petrified of even ADDRESSING in detail a single thing I have said here. These people are evil.


27 May 23.25 pm
I see that Sorensen has deleted posts by Roam and Raven Allen (and apparently by himself too). For once he has done the right thing.