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[cathy]

Ah looks like the latest biblical epic Exodus (a Ridley Scot extravaganza) has already run into trouble. Being banned in Egypt and Mexico for historical inaccuracies! :0

Well who'd have thunk it. Plagues of locusts and parting seas can't be found in the historical record.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/de ... stian-bale

[Brian Jordan]

Wow! Tannin it is - Ken Ham says so! I found this while waiting for a quiet moment to revisit the Monkey Cage.
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/tannin-sea-serpent-dinosaur-snake-dragon-or-jackal/
I guess they must serve tea, then, rather than coffee at Ham's Folly.

[Brian Jordan]

However, sorry to disappoint you Cathy but there was no Sea of Tannin. The discussion starts about 23 mins into the (longer) podcast and refers to the Tannin creature of the sea, not a monster of the Tannin sea. On first listening, I think it also referring to a ore-Judaic legend.
Rather more interesting, although off-topic, is her point that the early Jews were polytheists. Evident of course, from the golden calf episode but it's interesting to speculate on a steadily shinking pantheon leading to a Jewish monotheism, backtracking to trinitarian then moving on again to a Muslim unitarianism.

But should I be moving this discussion to Scripture Only?

[jon_12091]

This weeks Beyond Belief on R4 is interesting, though not for the rather tedious discussion of Moses, but the all to short interview in the middle with a member of the American "Joshua Generation" - the generation home schooled of super-conservatives (this member has apparently subsequently embraced liberation theology - it put a smile on my face anyway).

[a_haworthroberts]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04yfsst
If deception leads to evolutionary success, perhaps that helps explain the appeal of producing or consuming young earth creationist 'science' claims (among other things)?

[a_haworthroberts]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... -episode-2
Q I

"Nicky Campbell presides over a special debate asking just one big question - does evidence undermine religion? Taking part in the debate are: evolutionary biologist Adam Rutherford, Biblical scholar professor Francesca Stavrakapolou, Rabbi Miriam Berger from the Finchley Reform Synagogue, author Robert Feather, Hamza Tzortzis from iERA, Visnu Murti Das from the Hare Krishna Temple, philosopher Dr Arif Ahmed, Lola Tinubu from London Black Atheists, professor Joan Taylor from King's College, philosopher Dr Peter Cave and Dr Radisa Antic from the Seventh Day Adventist Research Centre. Recorded at The Harris Academy Peckham, London."

[Brian Jordan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b050c3sl/the-big-questions-series-8-episode-2
Q I

"Nicky Campbell presides over a special debate asking just one big question - does evidence undermine religion? Taking part in the debate are: evolutionary biologist Adam Rutherford, Biblical scholar professor Francesca Stavrakapolou, Rabbi Miriam Berger from the Finchley Reform Synagogue, author Robert Feather, Hamza Tzortzis from iERA, Visnu Murti Das from the Hare Krishna Temple, philosopher Dr Arif Ahmed, Lola Tinubu from London Black Atheists, professor Joan Taylor from King's College, philosopher Dr Peter Cave and Dr Radisa Antic from the Seventh Day Adventist Research Centre. Recorded at The Harris Academy Peckham, London."

Thanks or the tip Ashley - not sure how I missed seeing your post but I'm recording it now on spec. Not sure if I'll find time to watch it - was it any good? I could do wiih edited highlghlights: the Bible lady is always good and the Adventist Research Centre must surely by good for a laugh!

[a_haworthroberts]

A key moment was perhaps when a philosopher and probable atheist/unbeliever asked a question about why it is that the universe might appear to be fine-tuned which Vince Vitale (an apologist but not a YEC I don't think) seemed rather stumped by and mostly countered by talking about the low apparent probability of such a universe having come about randomly though he could not really explain why such a universe had to be intentional rather than perhaps inevitable due to physical laws. (NB I'm paraphrasing from memory there; this was approximately halfway through I think.)

I understand that on Thursday 5 February 'BBC Inside Science' on Radio 4 is having a 'creationism special'. I expect further details will appear online later this week:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036f7w ... s/upcoming
Rutherford - who was in The Big Questions - is certainly not a fan of creationism. He also wrote this book (not a treastise arguing for special creation despite the title):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Creation-The-Or ... 0670920444

[jon_12091]

This weeks Infinite Monkey Cage was about quantum physics and its relationship with woo.

[cathy]

This afternoons Inside Science was well worth a listen. The evolution of creationism and ID and an interview with Eugenie Scott and a historian. Historian emphasised how new YECisn was! And suggested it partly arise as a consequence of the separation of church and state and not allowing RE in schools. Also mentioned the latest creationism tactic of critical analysis but only of evolution. Very, very good.

[Peter Henderson]

BBC Radio Ulster's talkback today, 23rd February. Live discussion with Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, Rev. David McIlveen ( Retired Free Presbyterian minister ), and Peter Lynas of the Evangelical Alliance (NI) by phone.

Well worth a listen:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b053gny0

[a_haworthroberts]

BBC Radio Ulster's talkback today, 23rd February. Live discussion with Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, Rev. David McIlveen ( Retired Free Presbyterian minister ), and Peter Lynas of the Evangelical Alliance (NI) by phone.

Well worth a listen:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b053gny0

Daft dogmatic argumentative woman, who apparently likes the sound of her own voice, at around 32 minutes in ... Followed rapidly by a very confused and prejudiced man phoning in.

[Brian Jordan]

Excellent programme, if a bit open to subversion, on the demise of Doggerland. Splendid archaeological research in North Yorkshire and elsewhere on a tsunami that washed away Doggerland (now aka Dogger Bank) that happens to have been within the timeframe of the YEC lunatics. Ending with the opening of that massive lake (I forget the name) In N. America that had repercussions across the Northern Hemisphere. Not that Baldrick was into creationist nuttery - the primitive mesolithic civilisation he describes predates, considerably, the date of the formation of the universe as claimed by the nutters.
I've just enjoyed the programme on More 4 but can't as yet find it on their web site. It's Britain's Stone Age Tsunami.
Enjoy - if you can find it.

[Peter Henderson]

For anyone with Sky, UCB TV are showing "Set in Stone" tonight at 9 pm (repeated at 2.30 am)

[Peter Henderson]

Dr. Shane McKee making an appearance on the last Sunday's "the big questions".

Interesting discussion on genetics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ5cbvhy8BY#t=740