Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:00 am

Message sent to AiG from within their website just now:


I dare Ken Ham and those who moderate his Facebook page to read my latest four posts here - and examine their consciences.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:52 pm

As sent to AiG from within their website (see also the '6,000 year old Earth' thread):


http://www.facebook.com/aigkenham
Why doesn't Ken Ham or one of his colleagues check for and correct wrong information published on his Facebook page?

By 'wrong information' I don't mean creationist claims that I strongly challenge, I mean ignorant nonsense - possibly posted in good faith. Such as the nonsense posted yesterday by Benjamin Ciraulo: "Radio metric dating does not tell you how old a rock is it just shows you if there's any carbon left in the sediments".

See my posts here at 8.01 pm and 8.16 pm BST on 13 September:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2970&p=47154#p47154

You are I suggest making fools of yourselves. Is that in the interests of the gospel - let alone science and education?

You never acknowledge my communications. But you cannot hide from scrutiny because I also post them on the 'free for all' at the British Centre for Science Education community forum which can be read by anyone with an interest in creationism.

IF you have decided that ANY communication from an opponent of YEC-ism such as myself is by definition 'lies', and therefore you refuse even to look at it let alone read it, then you are more silly than I ever thought. Whereas IF you HAVE read this particular communication from me, but have still not corrected the nonsense (which no other fan appears even to realise is nonsense) then you must have a policy that ignorance about science from supporters of YEC-ism (or anyone?) need never be corrected.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:06 pm

https://www.facebook.com/AnswersInGenesis

Ken Ham spent another 60 seconds of his life lying instead of providing any convincing answers regarding fossils (which are not mentioned in the Bible despite the massive flood described there - surprise surprise).

"What we see in the fossil record is consistent with what we read in Genesis."

Buckminsterfullerene is too.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:30 pm

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... ompromise/
Ken Ham should stop his pretence that he 'loves' 'science'. He is an enemy of it. It's not 'man's word' it's what the evidence from the natural world consistently points to. Something YECs wave away and pretend is not real.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:41 am

As just posted at the '6,000 year' thread:
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"Re my two posts in this thread on the afternoon on Sunday 22 September:

Ken Ham has FAILED either to correct or to remove his nonsense on his Facebook page about an alleged huge 'error margin' in mainstream scientific predictions regarding Earth's future habitability. Despite me contacting Answers in Genesis staff twice by email and then from the website (as they recently silently and rudely banned me from posting any factual information on his Facebook page because it would appear that Ken and his minders want his followers to be clueless and ignorant about science and about current affairs).

I CONCLUDE THEREFORE THAT ANSWERS IN GENESIS PREFER FALSEHOODS TO FACTS. FAILURE TO CORRECT A MISTAKE WHEN IT IS CLEARLY POINTED OUT IS BOTH LYING AND - IN THIS CASE - AN ATTACK UPON SCIENCE.

EVEN IF THEY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO READ ANY COMMUNICATION WHATSOEVER FROM MYSELF - BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT I SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT THEM AND TO THEM."
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Brian Jordan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:19 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:As just posted at the '6,000 year' thread:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2970&start=600
Steady on Ashley! I don't want to have to start a Conversations with Conversations forum! :D
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:19 am

http://www.facebook.com/aigkenham

Ken Ham a short while ago: "Who's Indoctrinating Your Kids?"

U R K H U R
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:08 am

Answers in Genesis being honest - almost.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-ans ... lelinkedin
"So, Mr. Dawkins, we will rescue our children from false teachers like you and unashamedly “indoctrinate” our children in biblical truth".
All they need to do is remove those (incorrect) double quote marks.
(Of course their definition of 'biblical truth' includes dogmatic or speculative statements deduced by comparing reality with scripture ie these statements most definitely are NOT stated or even implied in scripture.)
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:15 am

Ham has posted this on his Facebook page:
"Another claim about supposed life from outer space! Those who reject God will resort to all sorts of outlandish claims--they will believe just about anything except the truth as revealed in God's Word. This is one of the articles that appeared in the press:
http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/scie ... e-1.309972
Make sure you read AiG's detailed response to this new supposed life from outer space claim."

Sounds to me like Mr Ham is worried that his scientifically brainwashed sorry savvy fans might think this is this convincing evidence of diatoms from outer space. "This is the wrong sort of nonsense, folks."

Nobody on the BCSE community forum does.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:20 am

As posted by one of Ham's Facebook fans (initials SM):
"We indoctrinate our kids so they're not easily brainwashed by naturalists."

Other people teach science and let Christianity take care of itself.

Only people who indoctrinate against naturalism think teaching science is 'brainwashing'.

People whose parents indoctrinated them, quite likely.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:57 pm

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... Ken+Ham%29
And what happens if these soldiers grow up and discover that Ken Ham lied to them (doubtless his apologetics talk covered stuff such as the fossil record being deposited in 'less than a year' and dinosaurs going extinct 'less than 5,000 years ago')? Will their faith survive? They will probably need then the prayer that Mr Ham requests for them today.
I have just emailed the following thread to Atlantic Shores Baptist Church:
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:12 pm

Details of the weapons offered to the young soldiers earlier this week by Answers 'in' Genesis:
http://asbc.net/filebin/files/sectionpa ... eflyer.pdf
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:47 pm

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... Ken+Ham%29

If Christianity is true, God is hiding behind nonsense claims that reject observable science. Alternatively, Christianity is out-of-date, pre-scientific, and not ultimately either 'the truth' or even objectively true (even though Jesus was a real person according to history). If God IS true he demands that people embrace nonsense claims as fact whilst ridiculing factual claims as nonsense. Why?

The Christian in this instance sees honesty as a sign of weakness. You have to lie to write Christian apologetics that fully challenge modern science (there are some truthful arguments that MAY point to a universe or life that was created deliberately but young earth creationists spew lie after lie after lie in an attempt to destroy 'historical' science).

If he is not cremated I think Mr Ham's brain will rot after he dies. Like mine.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby cathy » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:49 pm

If he is not cremated I think Mr Ham's brain will rot after he dies.

After he dies Ashley? I think that happened shortly after he was born!
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Davic Coppedge: attempted divide and rule

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:47 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2013/09/27/richard-dawkins-uncertain-regarding-death/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+KenHam+%28Around+the+World+with+Ken+Ham%29

If Christianity is true, God is hiding behind nonsense claims that reject observable science. Alternatively, Christianity is out-of-date, pre-scientific, and not ultimately either 'the truth' or even objectively true (even though Jesus was a real person according to history). If God IS true he demands that people embrace nonsense claims as fact whilst ridiculing factual claims as nonsense. Why?

The Christian in this instance sees honesty as a sign of weakness. You have to lie to write Christian apologetics that fully challenge modern science (there are some truthful arguments that MAY point to a universe or life that was created deliberately but young earth creationists spew lie after lie after lie in an attempt to destroy 'historical' science).

If he is not cremated I think Mr Ham's brain will rot after he dies. Like mine.



http://crev.info/2013/09/dinosaur-track ... mment-4804
The latest exchange with David Coppedge is yet another example of a Christian, a YEC Christian, who prefers nonsense claims (soft tissues prove a 6,000 year old Earth despite enormous amounts of evidence to the contrary) to honest appraisal of all the available evidence. And listen to his language about THIS blog post by Peter 'Eye on the ICR':
http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2012/11/0 ... saur-cell/
Coppedge proclaims that Peter is one of "the spin doctors of the Darwin Party, who only regurgitated their biases ... or told stories with lots of coulda-woulda-shoulda wiggle words".

You cannot reason with such people. It is he who needs to LOOK AT THE DATA. He is being evasive (he also won't comment on the Tas Walker 'they were fleeing Noah's Flood' claim). He cannot claim not to be able to understand the arguments at the Eye on the ICR blog post I don't think - he used to work at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory at NASA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Propul ... Laboratory

Coppedge is the one in denial of the meaning of observable or measurable facts. Dogma trumps mainstream science.

It seems you cannot reason with the Christian God either (Isaiah 1:18 suggests a 'reasoning' that is purely on HIS terms).
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