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Joachim Schlick wrote:Joachim Schlick is an ancestor of mine on my mother's side. Born Joachim Andreas von Schlick on 9 September 1559 in Schlackenwerth (modern-day Ostrov in Bohemia/The Czech Repblic), he was the Count of Passau and Weisskirchen.
Joachim Schlick wrote:I believe the Bible to be God's Word for the rational reason that when it speaks of provable facts, it has a 100% record of accuracy. On another secular board I have challenged anyone to publish one fact stated in the Bible that has been satisfactorily proven to be inaccurate. To date, no-one has been able to do so. I issue the same challenge on this Forum.
Genesis is literal history; none of it is myth. Parts of the Bible e.g. Revelation are written entirely in symbolic language and are not meant to be taken literally; here indeed is where some errors have been made by mistaken zealots.
Deuteronomy 14:6-7 wrote:You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud. However, of those that chew the cud or that have a split hoof completely divided you may not eat the camel, the rabbit, or the coney.
Leviticus 11:13-19 wrote:And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls ; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
Every raven after his kind;
And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Leviticus 11:20-22 wrote: All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.
Genesis 22:14 wrote:And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
Exodus 6:3 wrote:And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Ezra 1:9 - 11 wrote:And this is the number of them: thirty chargers of gold, a thousand chargers of silver, nine and twenty knives, Thirty basons of gold, silver basons of a second sort four hundred and ten, and other vessels a thousand. All the vessels of gold and of silver were five thousand and four hundred
Jeremiah 49:33 wrote:And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, and a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor any son of man dwell in it.
Joachim Schlick wrote:re (Michael): "The vast age of the earth was well-known and demonstrated by many in the 1780s eg de Saussure, De Luc, Whitehurst, Buffon, Soulavie, Hamilton to name a few. As Lyell was only born in 1798 so geological time was not "constructed on the original, shaky, unscientific foumdations of Sir Charles Lyell". Get your facts right and even I might listen!"
REPLY:
Well, leaving aside your phrase: 'vast age was well-known and demonstrated' and noting with a mild degree of scepticism your claim that 'Get your facts right and even I might listen!', I think I am right in saying that Sir Charles Lyell was the first to come up with a specific line of evidence which to him (and others at the time) provided absolute proof that the world was older than 6,000 years - whereas the others you mention were going more on their general powers of reasoning that the earth might be older than the Bible appeared to claim.
Lyell visited Niagara Falls in 1841 and claimed that because Niagara Falls retreated at the rate of 1 foot a year and had retreated some 7 miles from Lake Ontario back to Lake Erie, the earth must be at least 35,000 years old (7 miles = 356,960 feet).
Believe it or not, he arrived at this estimate by asking a local yokel how much it retreated and was told 'about 3 foot a year'. As if this was not enough bad science for one morning, he then went on to assume (and it's wise not to base too much on assumptions) that the man was exaggerating by a factor of at least three times. And so he added this vital piece of 'evidence' in his Principles of Geology (first published 1833, with 11 further editions thereafter). And they call him a great scientist!
In fact, rates of retreat have been proved to be significantly *faster* than 3 feet a year and the results of modern calculations are consistent with the retreat from Ontario having started 4,500 years ago - the approximate date creationists give for The Flood.
Ian T Taylor, in "In the Minds of Men" wrote: "Lyell's estimate, in the mid nineteenth century, had a most significant impact on the common man's beliefs, but his method can hardly be called scientific or even honest" (p. 82, ISBN 9 780969 178835).
Just to finish off, here is a rough summary of how old the earth is, according to the latest scientific thinking over recent times:
Below 25 million years until
1850 - 25 million years (Kelvin)
1897 - 40 million years (Kelvin)
1899 - 90 million years (J. Joly)
1921 - 1,000 million years (Rayleight) [NOTE: unscientific radiometric dating first introduced]
1932 - 1,600 million years (W.O. Hotchkiss)
1947 - 3,350 million years (A. Holmes)
1956 - 4,500 million years (A. Holmes)
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