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Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:31 pm

http://truthinscience.nextmeta.com/content.cfm?id=3120
This doesn't appear to be 'live' just yet. It's unclear whether the site itself will make clear that the material is written by 'Truth in Science' (though I suspect that it probably will).


ADDENDUM: this page IS already up:
http://www.diduknow.org.uk/pdf/didUknow.pdf
Apparently textbooks aren't as reliable as they claim to be.
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Re: didUknow

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:09 am

This is decidedly ominous. If the linked pdf file is anything to go by, it's an outline of quite a large, colourful web site. Could the pdf be for printing out in churches and sunday schools prior to the site going live?
Anyway, they're not off to a very good scientific start with what appears to be a botched illustration of distillation. Unless dear old Andy McIntosh, being a fuel technologist, has designed a novel demonstration of convection. Oh, and if it is supposed to be distillation, with an injunction to "try this at home", is that really such a good recommendation for young children?
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Re: didUknow

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:28 am

The wereUmistaken web domain is coyly registered to
Registrant type:
UK Limited Company, (Company number: 5378298)
Registrant's address:
PO Box 755
Folkestone
Kent
CT20 9HQ
United Kingdom


Companies House, however, shows how shallow their camouflage is: that company is
TRUTH IN SCIENCE
05378298 - Incorporated on 28 February 2005
42 Kew Court, Richmond Road, Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey, KT2 5BF

The Kew Court address is shown by Google to be the home of a variety of companies. It tells us, incidentally, that TiS has £ 1015 cash in the bank but a net worth of £55,451
https://www.endole.co.uk/explorer/postcode/kt2-5bf
Even details of present and past directors are revealed free of charge. The most interesting is confirmation of Roger's view that new blood is very scarce. The youngest director is 53, the oldest 78 and most of the names are familiar. Even the accountant company secretary is 72!
https://www.endole.co.uk/company/05378298/truth-in-science?page=people
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Re: didUknow

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:51 am

They also seem to have picked a dodgy domain name - Google comes up with any number of uses and varaiants on "do you know". For instance, despite entering "doyouknow.org.uk" in quote marks, I got a link to doyouknow.org.uk - a woodworker's blog site. More interestingly, they're competing with:

Not very original then, but rather dodgy.
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Re: didUknow

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:28 pm

Although their web site isn't up and running, they have a nominal presence on Facepbook.
https://www.facebook.com/didUknow-866270596805675/?fref=ts
I was tempted to post a message explaining what they are, but haven't access to Facebook. Perhaps such a message would be deleted and the poster banned, anyway. As things stand, this is the sort of stuff unsuspecting visitors are regaled with:
One unique features [sic] for a Youth Science site is the fact we have 30 leading scientists behind the work of Truth in Science - most have PhDs and are lecturers at universities around the world. Leading scientists including Professor Andy McIntosh, Professor Steve Taylor are closely involved in Truth in Science. We hope to have special feature in the diduknow.org.uk website entitled 'Ask the Experts' where any young person wanting answers to the big scientific questions in life can write in and get an answer directly from an expert. How cool is that?!
Why don't they also say
One unique feature for a Youth Science site is the fact we have leading biblical literalists and fundamentalist Christian preachers behind the work of Truth in Science, which is religiously motivated.

I wonder why they didn't list any of their leading clergy? Perhaps because none of them are leading either? Because many are not really clergy? Or because they are in hiding?
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Re: didUknow

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:42 pm

As for the originality of their site, their iconic cartoon explorer looks to have been bought from here, for $15 to $28 depending on size.
http://www.drawshop.com/imgdetail.php?auid=20585
I wonder where they got the distiallation/convection drawing? Was it vetted and approved by their Council of Refence http://truthinscience.org.uk/content.cfm?id=293 ? Surely at least one of those esteemed gentlemen must know whether it's an error or a new Intelligent Design?
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Re: didUknow

Postby Roger Stanyard » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:34 pm

Brian Jordan wrote:As for the originality of their site, their iconic cartoon explorer looks to have been bought from here, for $15 to $28 depending on size.
http://www.drawshop.com/imgdetail.php?auid=20585
I wonder where they got the distiallation/convection drawing? Was it vetted and approved by their Council of Refence http://truthinscience.org.uk/content.cfm?id=293 ? Surely at least one of those esteemed gentlemen must know whether it's an error or a new Intelligent Design?


It all sounds very amateur. The operation clearly has no paid staff and the new web site also looks to have been cobbled together cheaply.

Where the heck are the 30 "scientists" behind the project? The entire creationist movement in the UK, including non-scientists, looks to have no more than about 15 activists. Even then, many of the UK creationists we detailed around 2006 and 2007 have either died or disappeared back into total and deserved obscurity (or, in a couple of cases, gone to the USA where, likewise, nobody takes a blind bit of notice of their rantings).

The whole thing is bizarre; McIntosh and his pals fell flat on their faces with Truth in Science which, in turn, was launched after the creationist movement lost credibility at the Dover trial. That is nearly 11 years ago!

I would also point out that the percentage of practising Christians in the UK has fallen substantially since 2005.
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Re: didUknow

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:59 pm

Perhaps we ought to set up a new web site ourselves - maybe didntUknow.org.uk?
We too could have a collection of cartoons from the web, maybe starting with
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Copied with thanks but without asking, from richard@research.canon.com.au
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Re: didUknow

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:10 pm

Apparently it's on the way at the end of July (strange timing for an allegedly educational site):
https://www.facebook.com/didUknow-86627 ... 5/?fref=ts
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Re: didUknow

Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:48 am

Still awaiting the First Coming, Ashley, with the new term well under way.
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