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Postby Brian Jordan » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:27 am

Republican Acceptance of Evolution Plummets

A poll released today by the Pew Research Center reveals that acceptance of evolution among Republicans has plummeted in recent years, from 54 percent in 2009 to a jarring 43 percent today. The poll also found that a startling 48 percent of Republicans believe that all living things today have existed in their present form since the start of time.

Democrats and independents fared much better: 67 percent of Democrats accept evolution today (up from 64 percent in 2009), while 65 percent of independents accept it (down from 67 percent in 2013). Overall, 60 percent of Americans accept the basic fact that “humans and other living things have evolved over time,” meaning 40 percent support, to varying degrees, creationism.

But there’s a twist buried in that 60 percent figure. Only half of Americans who accept evolution as fact also accept that it is “due to natural process such as natural selection.” (That means only 32 percent of Americans accept that fundamental scientific notion, better known as natural selection.) And 24 percent of Americans overall—including some who claim to accept evolution—believe that “a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today” (better known as intelligent design). Taken together, this means that not even a plurality of Americans accept evolution driven by natural selection, one of the most foundational and indisputable facts of modern science.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/30/republicans_reject_evolution_acceptance_has_plummeted_among_the_gop.html
Still, it has a charming picture of Adam and his Dinosaurs, courtesy of Ken Ham.
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Postby Brian Jordan » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:47 am

However, another paper - another view of the same survey.
Survey: Views on evolution driven by religion more than education

By SARAH PULLIAM BAILEY

As evolution remains a contentious issue for many public schools, a new survey suggests that views on the question are driven by Americans’ religious affiliation more than their level of education.

Overall, six in 10 Americans say that humans have evolved over time, while one-third reject the idea of human evolution, according to a new analysis by the Pew Research Center. The one-third of Americans who reject human evolution has remained mostly unchanged since a 2009 Pew survey.

About one in four American adults say that "a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today."

While education matters, the new analysis suggests that religion appears to have more influence than level of education on evolution. The 21-point difference between college graduates and high school graduates who believe in evolution, for example, is less stark than the 49-point difference between mainline Protestants and evangelicals.

Evangelicals are four times as likely to reject human evolution as mainline Protestants, with 64 percent of evangelicals saying that "humans have existed in their present form since the beginning of time." Half of black Protestants say humans have not evolved, compared to 15 percent of white mainline Protestants who share the same opinion.

Those with more years of formal education are more likely than those with less education to say that humans and animals have evolved over time. Seventy-two percent of college graduates say humans have evolved over time, compared with 51 percent of high school graduates who say the same thing.

The gap between Republicans and Democrats on belief on human evolution has grown by 10 points since 2009, with 43 percent of Republicans and 67 percent of Democrats saying humans have evolved over time.

Even those who hold views on evolution differ in how it may have happened. The belief that evolution occurred as a natural process (not necessarily one guided by God) is still a minority view. At 57 percent, only people who have no religious affiliation hold a majority view that says humans evolved due to natural processes.

Among those who express a belief in human evolution, just 32 percent of them take the view that evolution is "due to natural processes such as natural selection." For Protestants who say that humans have evolved over time, the group is divided over whether evolution is due to natural processes or whether it was guided by a supreme being (36 percent each).

Meanwhile, the Creation Museum in Kentucky that promotes a literal reading of the Bible that God created the earth in six days will begin offering free admission to children in 2014. Seeking a wider audience, the museum rolled out displays this year that contain no religious messages as total attendance since the museum’s 2007 opening approached about 2 million.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/57333688-80/evolution-humans-percent-education.html.csp
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Re: New Year Cheer - NOT

Postby Roger Stanyard » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:13 pm

Brian Jordan wrote:
Republican Acceptance of Evolution Plummets

A poll released today by the Pew Research Center reveals that acceptance of evolution among Republicans has plummeted in recent years, from 54 percent in 2009 to a jarring 43 percent today. The poll also found that a startling 48 percent of Republicans believe that all living things today have existed in their present form since the start of time.

Democrats and independents fared much better: 67 percent of Democrats accept evolution today (up from 64 percent in 2009), while 65 percent of independents accept it (down from 67 percent in 2013). Overall, 60 percent of Americans accept the basic fact that “humans and other living things have evolved over time,” meaning 40 percent support, to varying degrees, creationism.

But there’s a twist buried in that 60 percent figure. Only half of Americans who accept evolution as fact also accept that it is “due to natural process such as natural selection.” (That means only 32 percent of Americans accept that fundamental scientific notion, better known as natural selection.) And 24 percent of Americans overall—including some who claim to accept evolution—believe that “a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today” (better known as intelligent design). Taken together, this means that not even a plurality of Americans accept evolution driven by natural selection, one of the most foundational and indisputable facts of modern science.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/30/republicans_reject_evolution_acceptance_has_plummeted_among_the_gop.html
Still, it has a charming picture of Adam and his Dinosaurs, courtesy of Ken Ham.


My interpretation is that the political right in the USA continues to get more and more extreme - and more and more incompetent. I note that an increasing number of former top elevel military people are now suggesting open civil war or words to that effect.
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Re: New Year Cheer - NOT

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Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:37 pm

More new year cheer NOT from possibly the world's WORST atheist (though he may worship himself):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25567007
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Postby cathy » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:35 pm

About one in four American adults say that "a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today."


That's kind of nebulous tho? That could mean anything from guiding each mutation thru to the some sort of overall plan that made life inevitable from the off without any extra intervention at all and therefore accepting of all science but with an architect somewhere outside of time and space and understanding behind it. Basically from not quite a creationist loony thru to total science accepting normal believer. The Goldilocks enigma view with a God as cause type of thing.

What exactly do they mean by that?

The poll also found that a startling 48 percent of Republicans believe that all living things today have existed in their present form since the start of time.

Republican politicians or republican voters? If the former, for how many is it political expediency?

My interpretation is that the political right in the USA continues to get more and more extreme

How much of that right wingness contributes to their extreme religious views? I only ask because the more backward a nation is socially, the more desperate its citizens. The more desperate then the more extremist it seems to be.

The US is technologically advanced but in terms of social care it is about as backward as it is possible to get. Read an interesting article somewhere pointing out how many addicts and alcoholics were believers - because it was the only hope they had. Extrapolate that lack of hope to just the less able and poorer sectors of society by not having an NHS or benefits network and would that contribute to their beliefs and fears of thinking them thru? Ireland was poor and socially backward for years as well and similarly in thrall to extreme control by priests.
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Re: New Year Cheer - NOT

Postby Roger Stanyard » Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:40 pm

cathy wrote:How much of that right wingness contributes to their extreme religious views? I only ask because the more backward a nation is socially, the more desperate its citizens. The more desperate then the more extremist it seems to be.


The two (wingnutiness and fundamentalism) go hand in hand but it seems to me that hardline Calvinism underlines much of American political extremism -just as it does amongst some Northern Ireland "loyalists".
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Re: New Year Cheer - NOT

Postby Roger Stanyard » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:33 pm

cathy wrote:Republican politicians or republican voters? If the former, for how many is it political expediency?


Well, let me put it like this. The influential wingnut broadcaster Bryan Fischer, who happens to be employed by a major evangelical lobbying organisation, has just stated in public that those who accept evolutionary biology should be disqualified from holding public office in the USA.

See http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/f ... ted-states

As I pointed out a good few years ago, creationism is a political issue.
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