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Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:03 pm

Creationist radio ad: Evolution cannot be debunked with reason

You cannot convince people that evolution is false with logic, according to the founder of the Creation Museum in Kentucky.

In a 60-second radio ad released Thursday, Answers in Genesis President Ken Ham admitted there was no scientific evidence that conclusively demonstrated that evolution was a lie.

But that didn’t mean there wasn’t solid evidence that evolution was a lie. The solid evidence just wasn’t scientific.

“We have solid proof in in our hands that evolution is a lie: the Bible,” Ham explained. “You see, we can’t depend solely on our reasoning ability to convince skeptics. We present the evidence and do the best we can to convince people the truth of God by always pointing them to the Bible.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/15/creationist-radio-ad-evolution-cannot-be-debunked-with-reason/
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:31 pm

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/15/c ... th-reason/
"Answers in Genesis President Ken Ham admitted there was no scientific evidence that conclusively demonstrated that evolution was a lie".
He admitted no such thing and this clumsy post, reproduced elsewhere, has handed ammunition to Ham which he is using on his Facebook page.
What Ham actually said was "Many of us would like to have the final proof that evolution's a lie. The right scientific evidence will silence those opposed to biblical creation for ever. Right? Well, no...".
Ham's claim is that evolutionists believe so strongly that even if scientific proof emerged that it was false, some would still believe in it. He says evolutionists are already denying the 'witness of creation' that the Bible refers to (this is his reading of Romans 1).
Ham must think it is his birthday.
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Postby Brian Jordan » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:10 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:Ham's claim is that evolutionists believe so strongly that even if scientific proof emerged that it was false, some would still believe in it.
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Re: Ham climbs down - then trots up again

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:18 am

Here's another blogger on the same Ham piece (why does he record all these 60 second or so video pieces if he is in danger of being misunderstood because such places are ones "where one can hardly say much at all" as he said on Facebook yesterday):
http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com ... /#comments

"You heard him — he has no proof (other than scripture) that evolution is a lie". Yes, I think that is a fair interpretation as far as it goes. Though of course Ham and other YECs are still SEARCHING for 'final proof' from what they consider science that would show evolution to be a 'lie', they haven't given up. He wrote "the right scientific evidence will silence" rather than "the right scientific evidence would silence", as if he thinks YEC research will unearth it someday (or even that real science will manage to falsify molecules to man evolution).

The earlier blog said "Answers in Genesis President Ken Ham admitted there was no scientific evidence that conclusively demonstrated that evolution was a lie", which to me suggested he was admitting that such evidence simply does not exist rather than - no doubt his intended meaning - that it merely hasn't been found yet.

What Ham said was indeed rather garbled and rushed - and does not really square with his overblown title.

I think his Facebook comments admit to this and he does not sound especially aggrieved that the earlier bloggers misread his meaning.
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Postby Brian Jordan » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:54 pm

Whatever Ham might claim, he's definitely put his trotter in his mouth. Here goes the LV Guardian:
Lead Creationist Says No Scientific Proof of Intelligent Design
A leading creationist and the president of “Answers in Genesis,” Ken Ham, has said that there is no scientific proof of intelligent design. In a radio advertisement last week, Ham told listeners that scientific proof is not necessary for belief in creationism because the bible is all the proof that’s needed. The commercial is being broadcast to promote the Creationism Museum in Kentucky.

Ham went on to explain that while many creationists would like to find scientific proof to explain intelligent design, they’re barking up the wrong tree, because they have a different kind of proof already, and that proof is the Bible.
http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/lead-creationist-says-no-scientific-proof-of-intelligent-design/
I bet the ID Crowd are just loving him! I wonder what C4ID have to say about his biblical proof?
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Re: Ham climbs down - then trots up again

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:47 pm

It's clear that AiG have NOT given up searching for 'final' (scientific) 'proof' that evolution is a 'lie'. Whereas this further article implies that Ham has given up the search and is thus falling back on claims that the Bible is 'final proof' and the 'final nail in the coffin'.
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:28 pm

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Re: Ham climbs down - then trots up again

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:01 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:It's clear that AiG have NOT given up searching for 'final' (scientific) 'proof' that evolution is a 'lie'. Whereas this further article implies that Ham has given up the search and is thus falling back on claims that the Bible is 'final proof' and the 'final nail in the coffin'.
You'd think a literalist would mind his words. :twisted:
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