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New hominid species identified

Postby Brian Jordan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:30 pm

Researchers studying fossils from northern Kenya have identified a new species of human that lived two million years ago.
Homo Rudolfensis
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Re: New hominid species identified

Postby cathy » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:26 pm

Hmm, want to hear what Paul Garner has to say? From his blog
In this week’s Nature, Meave Leakey and others (2012) describe new fossils from Koobi Fora, northern Kenya, that clarify the taxonomic status of KNM-ER 1470, the type specimen of Homo rudolfensis. Ever since 1470 was discovered in 1972, there has been controversy about whether it belonged with other lower Pleistocene Homo fossils in a single, highly variable species or whether it provided evidence of multiple species of early Homo. This new study supports the multiple species hypothesis. Assuming that these early Homo species are members of the human holobaramin, it seems that post-Babel humanity underwent quite a bit of diversification and that modern human variability is much diminished from what it was in the past.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what the hell is a holobaramin? And post babel? Tower of Babel? Just too stupid to think of a comment really isn't it.
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Re: New hominid species identified

Postby Brian Jordan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:45 pm

cathy wrote:Hmm, want to hear what Paul Garner has to say? From his blog
In this week’s Nature, Meave Leakey and others (2012) describe new fossils from Koobi Fora, northern Kenya, that clarify the taxonomic status of KNM-ER 1470, the type specimen of Homo rudolfensis. Ever since 1470 was discovered in 1972, there has been controversy about whether it belonged with other lower Pleistocene Homo fossils in a single, highly variable species or whether it provided evidence of multiple species of early Homo. This new study supports the multiple species hypothesis. Assuming that these early Homo species are members of the human holobaramin, it seems that post-Babel humanity underwent quite a bit of diversification and that modern human variability is much diminished from what it was in the past.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what the hell is a holobaramin? And post babel? Tower of Babel? Just too stupid to think of a comment really isn't it.
Not to worry Cathy - Paul Garner's to stupid to think all the time. And yes, the Tower of Babel. You know that it's true because Prof. McIntosh with all those degrees that are superfluous because he believes the Bible is true, has made a DVD about Babel and how the Genesis story is recorded in the actual ideograms used in Chinese.
As for holobaramin - they'll never tell you what it means because they can't even agree among themselves what baramin (i.e. "kind") means. His remark, though, suggests an even more difficult explanation is how all that microevolution took place not merely since Noah's underwater grounding but since... well, let one of Andy's admirers tell you in his own words:
"The approximate date of the Chinese origin, roughly 2500 B.C., is surprisingly close to the strict chronological dating of the great dispersion event at the tower of Babel."
Oops, that can't be right - it would have the Tower of Babel on the Ark! Looks like you'll have to buy the DVD Cathy! :twisted:
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Re: New hominid species identified

Postby Moon Fire » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:30 am

Brian Jordan wrote:
Cathy wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what the hell is a holobaramin? And post babel? Tower of Babel? Just too stupid to think of a comment really isn't it.
Not to worry Cathy - Paul Garner's to stupid to think all the time. And yes, the Tower of Babel. You know that it's true because Prof. McIntosh with all those degrees that are superfluous because he believes the Bible is true, has made a DVD about Babel and how the Genesis story is recorded in the actual ideograms used in Chinese.
As for holobaramin - they'll never tell you what it means because they can't even agree among themselves what baramin (i.e. "kind") means. His remark, though, suggests an even more difficult explanation is how all that microevolution took place not merely since Noah's underwater grounding but since... well, let one of Andy's admirers tell you in his own words:
"The approximate date of the Chinese origin, roughly 2500 B.C., is surprisingly close to the strict chronological dating of the great dispersion event at the tower of Babel."
Oops, that can't be right - it would have the Tower of Babel on the Ark! Looks like you'll have to buy the DVD Cathy! :twisted:


It's not 'micro'evolution that they're talking about post ark.....for the diversity that we have today to arise from the pair's in the ark it would have been hyper evolution
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Re: New hominid species identified

Postby GrumpyBob » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:39 am

cathy wrote:Hmm, want to hear what Paul Garner has to say? From his blog
In this week’s Nature, Meave Leakey and others (2012) describe new fossils from Koobi Fora, northern Kenya, that clarify the taxonomic status of KNM-ER 1470, the type specimen of Homo rudolfensis. Ever since 1470 was discovered in 1972, there has been controversy about whether it belonged with other lower Pleistocene Homo fossils in a single, highly variable species or whether it provided evidence of multiple species of early Homo. This new study supports the multiple species hypothesis. Assuming that these early Homo species are members of the human holobaramin, it seems that post-Babel humanity underwent quite a bit of diversification and that modern human variability is much diminished from what it was in the past.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what the hell is a holobaramin? And post babel? Tower of Babel? Just too stupid to think of a comment really isn't it.


Yes, I spotted that item of pure delusional idiocy on Garner's pseudoblog. It really is a shame he terminated commenting on his pseudoblog.

As far as I can tell, the new discoveries support the previous identification of 1470 rather than represent a truly novel species...so as far as that goes, Garner is pretty correct. But the post-Babel bollocks is indeed entertaining.

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Re: New hominid species identified

Postby cathy » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:29 pm

As for holobaramin - they'll never tell you what it means because they can't even agree among themselves what baramin (i.e. "kind") means. His remark, though, suggests an even more difficult explanation is how all that microevolution took place not merely since Noah's underwater grounding but since... well, let one of Andy's admirers tell you in his own words:

Hmm well I suppose Garner does have a pretend job doing pretend science for sad people who need a pretend world to believe in cos their beliefs can't actually survive in the real one. Luckily for Garner they're daft enough to pay for for his pretend world with real money cos I doubt pretend food from a pretend Tescos would sustain him for long cos he doesn't seem to have a pretend body - just a pretend mind.

And if you've got a pretend job creating a pretend world with pretend science I suppose making up new pretend words is as good a way to waste time as any. Justify the real money you're scamming people for. So baramin is just another pointless word to describe the undefined therefore equally pointless creationist term 'kind'? And holobaramin is just a made up word to tweak when the real world gets too close for comfort I guess? So science will have difficult with any published papers cos of the sheer number of neologisms Garner et al spend their hours creating to disguise their utter lack of anything real to fill their days? And their inability to define any of them.

What a jammy easy peasy life. Talk about a gravy train and happening upon the some of the people you can fool all of the time.
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Re: New hominid species identified

Postby cathy » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:45 pm

The approximate date of the Chinese origin, roughly 2500 B.C., is surprisingly close to the strict chronological dating of the great dispersion event at the tower of Babel."
Oops, that can't be right - it would have the Tower of Babel on the Ark! Looks like you'll have to buy the DVD Cathy

Hmm another problem with the tower of babel is it doesn't actually mention changes in anatomy to make it look like evolution. It doesn't even mention the diversity of the homo sapiens either into the many different ethnic groups!! Nowhere does it say God scattered them, made some speak french and changed their skulls, jaws etc etc. The creationists are just making things up - quelle surpise.

As far as I can understand of the story, the human race seemed to be united in a common purpose speaking a common language. The common purpose seems to be a co-operative project to ensure they don't get scattered and stop understanding each other cos that would create divisions. So God decides to scatter them, make it impossible for them to understand each other and hence no longer work together lest they understand him. Hence creating jobs for foreign language teachers (surely they must be spawn of satan in that case) and the basis for misunderstanding war and suffering. Isn't that was he was supposed to be wiping out with the flood?

No mention of changing anatomy nor the rapid evolution in the bible I've got. I can't help but think the creationists are making it all up again!!


It's not 'micro'evolution that they're talking about post ark.....for the diversity that we have today to arise from the pair's in the ark it would have been hyper evolution
Sigh, so much hyper evolution, dinosaurs whole digestive systems hyper evolving from veggie to carnivore as they leave the ark, humans spouting different homo groups. So many changes, yet so little recording of them. And why oh why have we failed to find the genetic stop switch that stops them spilling from micro to macro. Hyper evolution that fast would surely require one and surely we'd have seen it by now!!
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Re: New hominid species identified

Postby jon_12091 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:47 pm

There's also that tiny problem of stratigraphy - where are the modern humans, their tools, and homes?
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Re: New hominid species identified

Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:33 pm

cathy wrote:
Sigh, so much hyper evolution, dinosaurs whole digestive systems hyper evolving from veggie to carnivore as they leave the ark,
No, silly! Dinos were actually part of the caterpillar baramin so had possessed information in their DNA for far more metamorphosis than that. It degenerated just enough to leave metamorphosis from veggie to carnivore,
Come to think about it, it solves the problem of why Adam didn't see the dinosaurs in order to name them - they were living on the undersides of leaves at the time.
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