Dragons and Dinosaurs

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Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Dr_GS_Hurd » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:45 pm

There is a fairly popular creationist claim that biblical dragons are really dinosaurs. I have written various pieces, none of which seem to my liking. But, I did cut one down and posted it at, Dragons and gods and dinos, Oh My!

Blog software fails for discussions, so I thought we could persue the topic here, if anyone is interested.

There is also some 'meat on the bone' in Adrienne Mayor's very interesting book, "The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times" (2000 Princeton University Press). She stayed away from the biblical implications, bu they are quite clear.
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Yorkie » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:52 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK6tkcxAHIw
I had to share that, just to show the sheer insanity of YEC.
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Dr_GS_Hurd » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:38 pm

Yorkie wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK6tkcxAHIw
I had to share that, just to show the sheer insanity of YEC.


Richard Kent is very, very stupid. Who was the video author?
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Yorkie » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:52 pm

DPRjones, a lawyer, there are a whole group of creationist bashers/reason promoters on youtube.
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:46 pm

Dr_GS_Hurd wrote:
Yorkie wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK6tkcxAHIw
I had to share that, just to show the sheer insanity of YEC.


Richard Kent is very, very stupid. Who was the video author?


The interviewer is Doug Harris of the Reachout Trust Gary:

http://www.reachouttrust.org/

Even he can't keep a straight face !

The programme appears to have been originally broadcast on Revelation TV, one UK equivalent of TBN (although now based in Spain to get around Ofcom rules). The other's the God channel.

Revelation TV is renowned for pushing YECism.
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Dr_GS_Hurd » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:12 am

One day I'll tell you a very funny story about Paul and Jan Crotch of TBN from my days as a private investigator. It involeved them, their "organist" and two lesbian hookers.
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Peter Henderson » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:04 am

Dr_GS_Hurd wrote:One day I'll tell you a very funny story about Paul and Jan Crotch of TBN from my days as a private investigator. It involeved them, their "organist" and two lesbian hookers.



I've read a lot of stories about them Gary, along with Benny Hinn !
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:43 pm

Hmm, dragons on the ark? Plenty of water about but still quite a fire hazard! And yet more cargo needed, to keep them stoked up. :twisted:
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Michael » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:12 pm

Brian Jordan wrote:Hmm, dragons on the ark? Plenty of water about but still quite a fire hazard! And yet more cargo needed, to keep them stoked up. :twisted:


tut tut Brian , you are scoffing again, Garner will not be pleased :P
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:57 pm

Michael wrote:tut tut Brian , you are scoffing again, Garner will not be pleased :P
Not at all Michael, I'm just confused! Were there dragons in Garner's extra-Eden theme park?
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Michael » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:49 pm

Brian Jordan wrote:
Michael wrote:tut tut Brian , you are scoffing again, Garner will not be pleased :P
Not at all Michael, I'm just confused! Were there dragons in Garner's extra-Eden theme park?


It is impossible not to be confused by creationists as there are so many incosnistencies, ad hoc arguemnts , wackiness and then total misunderstanding/representation.

To follow a creationist arguemnt gets your head spinning.As tyou found out it is also a form of head-banging
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Peter Henderson » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:42 pm

Michael wrote:
Brian Jordan wrote:Hmm, dragons on the ark? Plenty of water about but still quite a fire hazard! And yet more cargo needed, to keep them stoked up. :twisted:


tut tut Brian , you are scoffing again, Garner will not be pleased :P


Careful now !

He'll quote 2nd Peter 3:3 at you !
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Roger Stanyard » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:55 pm

Dr_GS_Hurd wrote:One day I'll tell you a very funny story about Paul and Jan Crotch of TBN from my days as a private investigator. It involeved them, their "organist" and two lesbian hookers.


Yes, I've heard a few interesting tales about the Crouchs; pretty common stuff amongst the televangelists of the 80s and early 90s. Didn't they get divorced?

The televangelists haven't really prospered in the UK - the UK economy is only about a seventh the size of the USA and the broadcasting regulators have long been tough on them. Especially when it comes to their attempts to relieve the public of the not inconsiderable burden of money.
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Dr_GS_Hurd » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:12 pm

Roger Stanyard wrote:
Dr_GS_Hurd wrote:One day I'll tell you a very funny story about Paul and Jan Crotch of TBN from my days as a private investigator. It involeved them, their "organist" and two lesbian hookers.


Yes, I've heard a few interesting tales about the Crouchs; pretty common stuff amongst the televangelists of the 80s and early 90s. Didn't they get divorced?

The televangelists haven't really prospered in the UK - the UK economy is only about a seventh the size of the USA and the broadcasting regulators have long been tough on them. Especially when it comes to their attempts to relieve the public of the not inconsiderable burden of money.


They had a passion for group sex.
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Re: Dragons and Dinosaurs

Postby Peter Henderson » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:47 pm

Didn't they get divorced?


Not as far as I know, although they don't live together, apparently, and only appear on stage for special occasions (the twice yearly praise-a=thon for example).

Funny how all these wives of US tele evangelists tend to look like OTT porn stars. Rexalla Van Impe is another one that springs to mind.
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