This is contemptible:https://www.facebook.com/EvolutionIsALie
where YEC Issac Bourne makes a number of false statements about me thus demonstrating his REAL motivation and insincerity in pulling what is clearly a clumsy stunt: "This is a FaceBook post where I challenged the atheist troll Ashley Hayworth Roberts to a formal debate. Ashley is basically a verbal bully that likes to call everyone a liar that dares to disagree with him. He’s more huff and puff then likes to run and hide. But I thought someone needed to stand up to this bully so that is what I will do. If he accepts debate challenge, I will announce it here. If not I will announce his refusal here as well.")
"A formal debate challenge to Ashley Hayworth Roberts by Issac Bourne.
Before I set up the certain rules I will debate by a little background, I have debated atheists for over 20 years on forums and blogs and now FB pages. I have debated more than 10 at a time. I have heard that Ashley likes to huff and puff then run and hide. So I make it easy for him. He can get up to 9 other atheists to help him debate. That will be a total of 10 atheists against one creationist.
That should make it fair where you don't have to run and hide. I will debate here or on your forum. Makes no difference to me. Or I have the ability to set up a forum just for this debate if you like which might be better.Take a couple of hours to do but can be done.
1) No ridicule, name calling, demonetization.
2) All questions and evidence must be addressed by both sides. "Even I don't know is acceptable". So no dodging questions. And nobody can know everything. It is okay to state opinions but implying they are more than that is not allowed.
3) No cussing.
4) Each side, at the longest, has 24 hours to respond. Failure to do so is to forfeit. Unless there are unforeseeable circumstances.
5) It is understood by both sides there are really no winners. the readers decide for themselves who won.
6) After one subject is pretty much debated out we can move on to another. We can do different threads aka posts for each one to make if easier for the readers and search engines.
7) How it is determined a subject is debated out is that when all there is left to do is posture back and forth which really proves nothing.
Rules are simple and keeps the debate scientific instead of a one up game.The other atheists can respond also but they cannot break the rules. Each side gets 3 do overs. Which means if the rules are broken they get to edit their post to make it fit within the rules.
Memes will be allowed as long as they make a point relevant to the subject that does not include ridicule. Because some times a point is better made along with a picture. If you accept we can move on to the next steps Deciding where to hold the debate and what subject to debate on.
For those who do not know Ashley and what he's all about. Here is a sample: [the preceding post above]
This is what Ashley does if you happen to butt heads with him. Everyone else is a liar and a coward that dares to disagree. So I give him a chance to prove this with 9 of his buds to help him. He's going to need it.
I will also be contacting several of my creationist contacts to spread the word of this debate so there will probably be thousands showing up when this goes viral. Now before anyone jumps the gun here, Ashley has to accept first before the next steps can be taken to set everything up. So what say you Ashley? You game? You need more help? ~ Issac".
A formal debate with a bigot like Bourne? I'm not that gullible. He has frequently CENSORED attempted posts of mine under his blogs instead of dealing with the issues raised. And it was HIM who made bogus allegations and then RAN AWAY from a book review discussion at Amazon.com. Details of Bourne's evasiveness (and poor understanding of scientific topics he raises) can be read in the preceding posts in this thread.
If Bourne wants a debate about science, let him put his money where his mouth is and come onto this community forum! Where informal debate can take place with visiting YECs whenever they choose.
But I don't think he does and he is just pulling a 'stunt'. It is clear eg from this further comment* that 'Evolution is a Lie'/Issac Bourne is not challenging me in good faith. He just wants to claim that I am not only a 'bully' (because I point out to him and others false statements he makes on his facebook or blogs eg his recent nonsense about a BBC online article) but also a 'coward' because am saying a firm 'no' to his scheme as outlined above (just as I did to YEC Jason Petersen when he pulled the same stunt).
By the way Bourne, YEC propagandist Bob Sorensen refuses both formal AND informal debates with critics (he bans them too). Is he a 'coward'?
Why waste time 'formally' debating someone who writes this kind of drivel (which I addressed on this community forum when I first saw it)?http://www.yecheadquarters.org/?p=1683
I cannot currently recall which Amazon.com review (probably of 'The Greatest Hoax on Earth?' by Sarfati) Bourne came onto (probably as 'ikester7579') - and then ran away from. I suspect I reported his behaviour here at the time. But if anyone wants to read more about my previous interactions with Bourne (prior to me starting a 'dedicated' thread) they can go to the main 'Conversations with Creationists' page and then do a search for posts - not all of them by myself - containing the word 'Bourne'; there are many.
"We should know whether Ashley will accept challenge or be the coward he is by tomorrow. I know he is keeping up with the posts here since I put up the other post exposing his hateful e-mails.
Some might think the things he says bother me. Not really. I just think someone needs to stand up to this verbal bully. And I will enjoy every minute of it.
This is an example of the one thing every creationist needs to learn stepping into the field of defending God's creation. Militant troll hate like this is par for the course. You have to learn to accept that. And don;t waste your time trying to fight everyone whom says anything bad about you. You will spend to much defending your honor against people who could care less. And you will not have time to run the creation ministries God blesses you with.
You have to look at such things as free advertisement. Every time your name or site gets mentioned on their websites, your search engine rankings go up placing you in better positions for searches. You pick how many debates you will get in over a certain time period to leave yourself time to do other things. I have not been in a formal debate in a while and this person got on my radar so he's next.
If he accepts and after the debate is over. He will talk about me from now on. He will say hateful stuff probably worse than what he says now. That's his right. Just lie it's mine to say what I want here which irks him to no end. But that's his problem. Tonight I'm going to embed this post on my web site so everyone there will know. ~ Issac"
PS Why has Bourne posted a young photo of Roger Stanyard under his post (he's also misspelt my surname though that is easily done)?
PPS There is a RationalWiki page about Mr Bourne:http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Issac_Bourne
Addendum at 23.58 pm:
Idiot Bourne is still wittering about wanting to debate 10 people on this community forum single-handed. Believe that and you will believe anything! The other people who post here are mostly too busy to waste their time with Bourne on 'formal' debates. If he wants to say something, let him come here informally and say his piece! But I have already said a very clear 'NO' to his 'challenge'. But it would seem that my prompt answer to Bourne has yet to penetrate his brain ... My impression that the man is clueless (or wilfully ignorant and in denial) has been further strengthened. NO I DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT YOUR INSINCERE AND UNREALISTIC INVITATION, ISSAC! HAVE YOU GOT THAT YET (EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU CAN BOAST ON US RADIO - I DON'T GIVE TWO HOOTS EITHER WAY)?
Wide-circulation email, with Sorensen and Bourne included, just sent - linking to both threads (on Sorensen and on Bourne).
Update just after 2.15 am on 31 Dec GMT:https://www.facebook.com/EvolutionIsALie
Bourne and his sidekicks Schultz and Marlow have finally seen my response above. Their reactions simply prove that these people have NO facts and NO rebuttals - JUST hate.
So who will 'run away' by not posting any more on this forum? Not me. But will Issac pluck the courage to come on here as he is now saying that he will do (gosh I'm scared)? Or will he run away instead?
Time will tell.
He will of course need to follow, as others have to do, the rules and make sure that he is on-topic for the various sections of the forum. IF he arrives.
The latest posts on the Bourne page are further confirmation that debating such people in any formal manner would be extremely unwise. The ones I have had contact with are totally dishonest extremists who I am convinced based on my past experiences of their dishonest censorship, evasiveness and false accusations etc CANNOT be trusted.
Here is YET another example of YEC apparent censorship (email as just sent to the Christian but anti-YEC bible.and.science.forum):
"This person, a blogger whose name is David Tee I gather:http://scotteriology.wordpress.com/2012 ... david-tee/
has now failed to moderate SIX posts of mine dated 30 Dec here:http://theologyarchaeology.wordpress.co ... mment-1793
Some of the posts can be read here (he criticised McGrath too):http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringo ... serve.html
(The first link was supplied to me by Christian blogger Jon Baker of Age of Rocks, who Tee also clumsily criticises. Tee apparently thinks the Barringer crater was caused by floodwaters - yeah, right.)