YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:06 pm

I emailed Bob (not copied to anyone else except myself) about his carbon 12 mistake. He has not changed his blog post.

I can only assume that he either REFUSES to read my email or that he has decided that Ashley Haworth-Roberts NEVER says anything truthful because I am a anti-YEC 'troll'.

This is what I wrote:
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http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2013/04 ... t=FaceBook

I suggest you check the ICR article again. Carbon 14 does NOT decay into carbon 12 but nitrogen 14".

I was trying to be helpful, believe it or not.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:15 pm

Sorensen on The Question Evolution Project Facebook page, under his erroneous article:
"Mark Cannistraci, "It boils down to this: It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to see that it's utterly impossible for the Earth to be a mere 6000 or so years old. Anyone that believes the Young Earth theory is a Fool. This isn't theology were talking about, it's MATH. And the Young Earth theory does not add up, therefor it is disproved and invalid."
It boils down to your philosophical bias and prejudicial conjecture. Add in the appeal to ridicule and abusive ad hominems, plus your ridiculous theological comments above, and your horrible use of what passes for logic, and you're the latest celebrity to be dismissed by Maxwell's Silver Banhammer. -CBB".

Those posting truth have been silenced. But only in a place where truth is not permitted to disagree with scripture.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:30 pm

Bob has posted this piece of bullshit on his Youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 3qp0qfE24I

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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:16 am

A recent comment by 'The Question Evolution Project' on the Facebook page of that name, after someone had the cheek to object to Bob's propaganda video:

"Emma Campbell: "personally I just put 'creationists' in instead and it made way more sense."
We should call this the "I know you are, but what am I?" fallacy. This nonsense got you banned, Buttercup."

The truth hurts (creationists).
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The Question Evolution Project

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:16 am

They linked to this short video on the Facebook page (under five minutes though it seems a good deal longer when you listen to it - the American narrator seems to be linked to pp simmons*):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WKLKhBt ... 455F3E82B7
* Edit - it seems the speaker is Pastor Carl Gallups.

They received THIS comment:
"If you rid yourself of the delusion that the Earth is only 6,000-10,000 years old and realize the Earth has existed for 4.54 Billion years, and that life on Earth has existed in some form for 3.6 Billion years, then it is easy to answer. Over so much time lifeforms changed and developed according to their environments and necessities, eventually becoming the specialized systems which we have now. When a few thousand years pass, if we are still around, we will have changed so much people will have no basis to deny evolution." (I cannot vote for it because when Cowboy Bob recently banned me just five minutes after making a couple of posts there I was also, it seems, denied the right to 'like' any posts as well.)

And TQEP (probably not Bob himself) responded in this friendly manner:
"If you would bother to give facts instead of assertions, watch the video and comment on topic, stop posturing with pure nonsense, you might stand a chance of not being banned. Your fanatical faith and ignorance of actual science is appalling."

I agree that using purposeless evolution to explain the human body does take some faith, but the YECs do not know it is 'wrong' and some of what the critic offered was facts rather than 'assertions'. They are simply blinkered because of their Bible-based faith.

Their response would put me off investigating Christianity.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:58 pm

Oh, and here's one from Cowboy Bob:
"RL Every time I've seen you post, you've been an obstreperous, contemptible troll. Now here you are, accusing a friend and co-admin of lying. The fact is, YOU are a liar. Again. I am more than happy to ban you. -Cowboy Bob".
Of course the RL post in question is NOT visible.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Brian Jordan » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:17 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:Oh, and here's one from Cowboy Bob:
"RL Every time I've seen you post, you've been an obstreperous, contemptible troll. Now here you are, accusing a friend and co-admin of lying. The fact is, YOU are a liar. Again. I am more than happy to ban you. -Cowboy Bob".
Of course the RL post in question is NOT visible.
They're irredeemable, Ashley. You can't help them and I certainly can't. I doubt our more religious forum members have much better prospects of helping them, either. Let them wallow in their willful ignorance.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:46 pm

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2013/04 ... media.html
"Do not rely on slogans, pictures, short status updates, article introductions and so forth as your source of education."

Ah yes:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2013/04 ... cious.html
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2013/03 ... erate.html

But I've just seen that the Cowboy DID, eventually, quietly correct the error which I pointed out here as detailed earlier in this thread when he claimed that carbon 14 decays into carbon 12 (though that MAY be because a fellow YEC pointed it out too):
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/search? ... -results=7
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:24 pm

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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby Brian Jordan » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:48 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:https://www.facebook.com/sorensson.roberts
What a hideous picture. Why do so many creationists make such a mess of their web sites - now even without the use of garish colours?
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:25 pm

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2013/04 ... t=FaceBook
'What is the Best Way to teach Science?'

Indoctrinate students, mostly apart from their peers, in home-schooling?
Get Ken Ham along to the family's church?

Wrong.

The suggested answer can be found here: http://crev.info/2013/04/students-need- ... morize-it/
Jonathan Osborne does not appear to be a YEC nutter. He's a university education professor in the US. This is his recent co-authored paper's Abstract: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... FDE.d02t04

I very much suspect that evolutionary biology, astronomy and geology would have nothing to fear from the approach that is advocated.

Whereas YEC-ism would soon fall at the 'stop reciting imagined facts' hurdle eg the 'fact' of a worldwide hill-covering flood less than 5,000 years' ago. These YEC bloggers cannot or will not see this.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Brian Jordan » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:19 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:Wrong.

The suggested answer can be found here: http://crev.info/2013/04/students-need- ... morize-it/
Jonathan Osborne does not appear to be a YEC nutter. He's a university education professor in the US. This is his recent co-authored paper's Abstract: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... FDE.d02t04

Regardless of Jonathan Osborne's views, the people promoting them are creationist nutters. They're just using him to push the "teach the controversy" wagon for them.
Oh, and there's this little matter, from the abstract:
Results show that few significant changes were found in students compared to the comparison sample.
Rather blows their rickety wagon out of the water, doesn't it?
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby Roger Stanyard » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:35 am

Brian Jordan wrote:
a_haworthroberts wrote:https://www.facebook.com/sorensson.roberts
What a hideous picture. Why do so many creationists make such a mess of their web sites - now even without the use of garish colours?


Because so many of them (if not all of them) are basically rank amateurs in life.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby InfernalTank » Sun May 05, 2013 1:56 am

I've seen Bob before. On another page, I managed to snap a screencap of him saying probably one of the nastiest things on another creationist Facebook page, "Freedom from Atheistic Scientism":

http://puu.sh/2buW8
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby cathy » Sun May 05, 2013 7:38 am

I've seen Bob before. On another page, I managed to snap a screencap of him saying probably one of the nastiest things on another creationist Facebook page, "Freedom from Atheistic Scientism":

http://puu.sh/2buW8

Wow - that really does take it to a new level of nastiness I can't believe even Bob would think it ok to say that. I think that needs to go somewhere more permenant like the wiki page on him, or on the blog page as well. That is really nasty from someone supposed to be a Christian.

And perhaps sent to whatever church he attends.
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