YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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Oort Cloud is fiction - because YECs say so

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:36 am

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/11 ... dence.html 'The Oort Cloud: Faith without Evidence'
Except for the evidence known as long period comets with highly elliptical orbits - pointing to how very far away from the sun they are at aphelion - and coming on trajectories that are steeply inclined to the ecliptic, liar Bob. Plus the fact that since asteroid Oumuamua has destroyed young earth creationism, we now have further confirmation that the solar system is 4.5bn rather than 6,000 years old so that reservoir of comets known as the Oort Cloud makes perfect sense. Perhaps it was created by God - strange how YECs are saying God created no such thing. And two months ago we couldn't detect any interstellar asteroids liar Bob - but God created some of those too. So it's a good job real science is NOT solely limited to "the study of the natural world using the five senses" and that so-called 'desperate measures' (which sometimes falsify a 'young' 6,000 year old universe) are sometimes vindicated later on.

Meanwhile Bob's young earth buddies at CMI are getting very agitated about a member of the BCSE committee:
https://creation.com/braterman-slam-dunk-flunk (attacking this: https://theconversation.com/how-to-slam ... tion-81581)
Count the lies and denials and overblown accusations:
"Seven million! Says who? Fossils do not come with age labels attached, and age is not something that can actually be measured. Age can be calculated, but all such calculations rely on assumptions. The only reliable way to know the age of something is from reliable historical records (see Immeasurable age) and the Bible’s record of history, which has proven supremely reliable, reveals that the world is only about 6,000 years old. For some scientific support, see Age of the earth: 101 evidences for a young age of the earth and the universe."
"You have chosen poorly, Paul. The proposed transitional ape-human status of the Sahelanthropus tchadensis (aka ‘Toumai’) fossil skull was denounced by other evolutionists mere days after its finder published his claims—see New ‘ape-man’ preliminary response. And within a few months a letter in Nature dealt the fatal blow, confirming beyond doubt that it was just a female gorilla skull, and not some esoteric new species of ape-man."
Not according to this you CMI LIARS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahelanthropus The Nature letter (Lamb's footnote 3) is also referenced (again Note 3) and the letter in question - which represents one scientific viewpoint only - does NOT, I repeat NOT, state that the skull was of a 'female gorilla' (as in today's gorillas): https://www.nature.com/articles/419581a (the letter casts doubt on bipedalism and suggests, according to Wikipedia, that this was an extinct ape of the Miocene)
"Only an incorrigible die-hard atheist, as Braterman is by his own admission, who refused to stay informed would still accept Sahelanthropus as an ape-human transitional form ...". But according to Wikipedia "Sahelanthropus tchadensis is an extinct homininae species" (homininae being a subfamily of Hominidae). Besides what Braterman ACTUALLY wrote was "the first known upright ape-like creatures".
The rest of the article is mostly long-winded pomposity and bigotry such as:
"Evolution and creation are both over-arching paradigms within which all the multifarious facts of science are interpreted";
"we think that ... evolution should be taught, but taught properly, i.e. warts and all, as a scientific theory, open to criticism and discussion of its faults and weaknesses, not as indoctrination and dogma, which is the way evolution is typically taught in government schools currently";
"Belief in evolution is strong, for philosophical and social reasons, but none of the many proposed models of evolution has stood up to testing and criticism. And note, even if scientists could manage to evolve a new type of organism in the laboratory, that would not prove that such evolution happened in the remote past. Rather it would prove what creationists believe—that an enormous amount of applied intelligence is necessary to create a new type of organism!";
"An important example of equivocation is the way evolutionists use the word “evolution” to describe two very different phenomena: 1) the observed scientific phenomenon of natural selection (aka adaptation / survival of the fittest) which involves loss, shuffling or damage of existing genetic information, and 2) the hypothetical never-observed (hence unscientific) phenomenon of the coming into existence of new types of organs and organisms, which would require vast quantities of new genetic information";
"Paul, you’re living in the past. This is ancient history. Mainstream creationists have been advising for decades against using the “evolution is just a theory” argument"; So? Mike Pence - the subject of Braterman's article - was saying "Charles Darwin never thought of evolution as anything other than a theory":
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronom ... onist.html
Besides CMI wrongfully suggest that their followers should say that "particles-to-people evolution is an unsubstantiated hypothesis or conjecture" rather than say "evolution is just a theory".
"all new facts get pretzeled into an evolutionary framework of understanding, no matter how great the discordance";
"Paul, you keep referring to illustrious biblical creationist founders of modern science, like Linnaeus. Why not refer to evolutionist founders of … oh, wait, because there ARE NONE";
Because science was founded before evolution was discovered, dummo.
"Science is about what can be observed and measured and repeatedly tested. Evolutionary changes of the sort you express belief in here have not been observed, only assumed or inferred. It takes blind faith to believe what you believe";
It's NOT 'blind' faith. It's based on evidence.
"there are millions of fossils showing stasis (i.e. no change)—note, not ‘evolutionary stasis’ (an oxymoron of breathtaking brazenness), just plain old ‘stasis’—plus a sad, paltry handful of dubious candidate transitional fossils like your beloved Sahelanthropus";
Which disproves the RAPID post-flood speciation over less than 4,500 years that YECs pretend is 'science'.
"After the Flood, marsupials and other animals recolonised the globe starting from the Mountains of Ararat in the Middle East, where the Ark landed. They likely migrated northwards through Eurasia, across the ancient Bering land bridge, then through North America and southwards into South America";
Yet VERY FEW marsupial fossils have been found in Europe and marsupials are now extinct in Europe. Biogeography can account for that but young earth creationists cannot.
"in places where marsupials live today, the lower rock strata are virtually devoid of marsupial fossils";
As Lamb admits, evolution can live with this.
"Finding identical kinds of animals living on two distant parts of the globe and nowhere in between, a phenomenon known as disjunct distributions, fits more naturally with the biblical account of creation, Flood, dispersion from Ararat, and subsequent ecosystem decline, than with the traditional evolutionary story of organisms evolving into existence at the locations they now inhabit";
Unfortunately Lamb fails to explain how and simply supplies a link to a past CMI article. I can supply links too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disjunct_distribution
"No, you can not and no, it is not. See Pesticide resistance is not evidence of evolution. What you observe in the field and in the lab is natural selection, a process heading in the opposite direction to microbes-to-man evolution"; (I do not feel qualified to challenge that assertion but Braterman might.)
"Indeed we can, and what we find in the world’s sedimentary strata is a general sequence of sea floor organisms buried first, then sea creatures, then vegetation and land creatures, peppered throughout with numerous exceptions (so-called ‘out of place’ fossils)—which is exactly the pattern we would expect from the chaotic global Flood";
The pattern of the fossil record is NOT chaotic in the way that YEC 'flood geology' beliefs would require it to be.
"But continental drift was probably much faster in the past, as per catastrophic plate tectonics";
That is not science - it is not supported by ANY evidence.
"Groan! Alleged whale transitional forms are only one rung above Sahelanthropus on the credibility ladder. See Whale evolution fraud";
Their argument is so weak that they resort to "read this past article" again. An article with a typically emotive, propagandist title - so favoured of CMI.
"evolution is malleable, and room can be made for even the most obstinate facts. This can give an illusion of ‘consistency’ but only because the alternative framework of understanding—biblical creation—is being excluded from consideration. In fact the vast majority of facts fit far more comfortably into the biblical framework of history";
"Evolution is successful in the sense of achieving dominance, yes, but only via indoctrination, censorship and other totalitarian means";
It's not usually evolutionary websites which censor their critics - it's young earth creationist ones (CMI have frequently censored critical but carefully argued comments I have sent them on past online articles).
"Allowing students and teachers the academic freedom to air and discuss the flaws and shortcomings of the theory of evolution free from academic and social persecution would be a good start";
Ah yes - pretend that science is the same as eg politics, merely a matter of opinion.
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:37 am

CHartsil wrote:Just make a secondary account. I make accounts all the time.


Sorry - but I don't behave unethically. Besides I would not know how to make a 'secondary account' for eg Facebook purposes.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:56 am

https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked
Flagging this: http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/11 ... m=facebook
His reaction: "Because a rocky band of objects in a rocky solar system is just too much. Clearly, muh space wizardry."
Oh no! You're totally wrong Mr TQEPD! Bob has got it all correct (and wants other Christians to think like him). See his main Facebook page:
"If the universe was as old as secularists claim, comets should have been used up long ago. The Oort cloud is a desperate rescuing device that has no scientific evidence. Looks good on paper, though."
The fact that the Oort Cloud does have evidence to support its existence does not bother Bob in the least. If it refutes a 6,000 year old Earth and universe then it is FICTION. Except that YECs, even Bob, have already admitted the interstellar asteroid Oumuamua - which totally destroys young earth creationist timescales - is REAL.


PS Also from TQEPD: "Wow I wasn't aware Bob was sufficiently self aware to be embarrassed enough to delete one of his posts I called him on, lol...". I've seen that happen before and have documented it on this site. (Of course he almost NEVER tells his fans he deleted, or corrected, anything.)
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YEC zealot Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:09 pm

Delusional pathological liar can't resist revisiting his latest nemesis:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/12 ... to-it.html
"Some tinhorns are desperate to deny evidence of a young solar system, even saying that the interstellar object 1I ‘Oumuamua is the "death knell for young earth creationism" based on conjectures and assumptions that support their preconceptions. (Really? One thing can overturn the body of work, thousands of books, videos, articles, by biblical creation scientists and others, and destroy the Word of God? Learn to think, for crying out loud.) This denial of evidence for recent creation, and affirmation of nothing special, happens a great deal, and some can be seen from the supposed joy and excitement of the scientists over observations that refute their fundamentally flawed worldview in this article:
https://crev.info/2017/10/ring-around-dwarf-planet/"

As someone else who 'Cowboy Bob' cannot tolerate on the internet has just said on Facebook:
""Pl-please believe that we're smarter than those atheists. Hold on a second"
*censors atheist criticism*
"We-we're so scientifically literate. Just look at all these atheists we have the guts to refute directly.""

Run it past me again Bob - well for the first time actually - exactly HOW does Oumuamua the interstellar asteroid 'not' refute young earth creationist timescales totally and utterly? Answer this question. HOW could Oumuamua have travelled to the vicinity of our sun in 2017, from another solar system (that's what interstellar means), in no more than 6,000 years?

As for Haumea, 'young' does NOT mean 6,000 years old liar Bob.

Bigot becomes religious and ties his own brain in knots whilst becoming an internet serial liar and fraud wearing Christian/Bible clothing.

I'm the person doing the thinking and the questioning about science and reality, Bob. You are the person who HATES that.
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YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:59 pm

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/12 ... liens.html
"But they're used to believing in things without evidence, such as the Oort cloud ...". YECs complaining about belief without visible evidence. Besides there IS evidence for the Oort cloud - long period comets in a solar system that science has discovered CANNOT be just 6,000 years old.

Meanwhile:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42329244 (this story also came up as the 'and finally' story on tonight's ITV News at Ten)
Should Bob (or Ken Ham) mock this (most real scientists think Oumuamua is natural, and not artificial and designed by aliens) I will remind them again that Oumuamua has falsified a 6,000 year old universe - due to the distance the asteroid has travelled to get mixed up with our inner solar system.

If there are no extra solar system aliens (or none are ever contacted) the universe remains billions of years old, Bob. Real science does not 'require' aliens to validate any of its theories.

And I'm still waiting for Coppedge to mention Oumuamua. Waiting for Godot.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:18 pm

http://radaractive.blogspot.co.uk/2017/ ... nking.html 'Fossil Discoveries Foul Up Evolutionary Thinking.'
"What could cause such fossilization? Rapid burial. What would lead to the rapid burial of billions of things in fossils laid down by water, worldwide? The Genesis Flood is the best answer." Two non sequiturs for the price of one. Rapid burial 'refutes' evolutionary thinking. Of course!

At least non-creationists ARE thinking. Unlike most Bible bigots ie young earth creationist bloggers.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:06 am

https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked (on 15 December)
"More global flood snake oil.
I guess that would make Bob the carpetbagger peddling it in this case. Got something you can't explain? Sprinkle some flood water on it, it'll do most anything."

Nay, bigot Bob can do even better than that. All he needs is a bit of 'rapid burial'. And hey presto, he's proven the 'Genesis Flood' to be real. And not only that:
"The Genesis Flood means that uniformitarianism is fundamentally flawed, and the earth is far younger than they want to admit."
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/12 ... ience.html
Just because some dinosaur eggs got fossilised on a flood plain in what is now Argentina.

No thinking required. In fact it's best to avoid thinking.
Just BELIEVE the pseudo-science being shovelled by young earth creationist bloggers and apologists. Especially the 'Briefly Exposed Diluvial Sediments hypothesis'.
https://creation.com/argentina-egg-site ... lood-model
"The discoveries at the Argentine fossil egg site supports the Briefly Exposed Diluvial Sediments (BEDS) hypothesis proposed by Oard. ‘Episodic large flood events’ can produce BEDS in which the level of the floodwater oscillated up and down with different amplitudes and lengths of time of exposure.
Global floodwaters would have oscillated up and down due to tides, tsunamis, nearby as well as distant tectonics, and other mechanisms. There would be different lengths of time that the sediments would be exposed.
During a temporary drop in the level of the floodwater, dinosaurs from higher nearby ground or floating in the floodwater could climb onto the BEDS. The next rise would cover the eggs, tracks, and dead dinosaurs. Floodwater oscillations would regularly send a layer of sediment over previous BEDS."
https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j19 ... _21-22.pdf

VERY biblical.

Meanwhile a coward supporter of Bob chose to attack 'The Question Evolution Project Debunked' as a 'fool' and 'criminal' and 'liar'. From the safety of 'The Question Evolution Project':
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
If these people did real debate they would have to answer, instead of ignore, difficult questions from the critics.
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YEC Bob Sorensen - pathological liar

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:39 pm

Sorensen here: https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
(Also re-produced here: https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked)
"Meanwhile, Haywire the Criminal Cyberstalker approves of the antics of his pal at Fallacy Central. Mockery is considered refutation on their planet. Haywire said, "If these people did real debate they would have to answer, instead of ignore, difficult questions from the critics".
No, we have no reason to debate people who rely on ad hominems, straw man arguments, mockery, blasphemy,appeal to motive fallacies, and outright lying. Besides, I have a day job. Someone wants to do a *real*, formal debate and meets the qualifications that I have posted previously (but they ignored the article and resorted to, wait for it: more fallacies), we'll talk later."

That's what passes for a rebuttal on the planet inhabited by these bigoted pseudo-intellectual idiots. It's a complete sham - by people in denial of the reality of how they communicate with people who disagree with them. I did not mock I made a statement of fact. Sorensen hates facts. He's also a total coward. He's terrified of answering questions and debating - so he demonises ALL his opponents instead. Even though THIS opponent does NOT EVER use straw man arguments or fallacies or lies. (And some 'Christians' approve of his internet poison - I suspect he loves the praise of people more than that of God.)

And the pathological liar Charlie Wolcott opines: "... They never have anything actually difficult nor which hasn't been refuted many, many times ...". So why are there no dinosaur fossils at the Grand Canyon, Charlie? So how could asteroid Oumuamua have possibly have travelled to our solar system in just 6,000 years, Charlie? And how come young earth creationists pick and choose their 'Bible' literalism ie a 'young' Earth is holy writ but a flat Earth (instead of a ball/globe) is 'unbiblical'?

All we ever get from Wolcott is a superiority complex and false projecting as to the motives of all those (including other Christians) who think young earth creationism is extra-biblical baloney. Including the garbage that we 'know' they are 'right'. Not any honesty or openness or humility. "All they can do is prove us right anyway. That's one of the things I love about the sovereignty of God. Even in their desperate rages, we always win because God always wins. They rage against him and God laughs at them, holding them in derision." Nice.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:52 am

I tried to send the following 'private' message to Chartsil but I am having technical difficulties:
"Accusatory bigot Sorensen.
Emails sent to Bob, Curtis and others:

" ... Meantime I just sent this private message (it's no longer private!) to CHartsil who runs 'The Question Evolution Project Debunked' on Facebook (sent via the BCSE website):
"Accusatory bigot Sorensen.
On his main Facebook page he's claiming: "Interesting that when posts are shared, he leaves off the comments (except on pictures, can't ignore the captions). "We don't censor."So, by omitting what we say, he is censoring us. Hypocrisy in action."
But when I clicked upon one of Sorensen's images on your page I then was able to read Sorensen's text (which is what I assume he means by 'comments'). Either he is lying or he has not yet made this discovery ...
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Super ... =3&theater
Perhaps Curtis might wish to reconsider his Facebook comment "Nailed him"?"

and:

"Click on the Ashes to Ashes image here and see what comes up on your screen.
https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked
Of course you will never ever apologise for being wrong. This is bcc'ed to several original recipients.""
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YEC Bob Sorensen - picking and choosing

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:43 pm

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/12 ... ation.html
"A straightforward [Sorensen typo corrected] reading of the account of creation in Genesis is pretty simple, what with actual days and all...".
And on his main Facebook page he is saying:
"People who want to add long ages to the Bible cause more problems than they think they solve. Plants, light, and the sun are problematic for them, but not for those of us who believe the Bible means what it says."

Means what it says. A position adopted, however preposterous in some instances, by creationist Philip Stallings.

In the words of Stallings (see the first Stallings link in the opening post at this thread viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3848):
"The Teaching Of Scripture Regarding The Flat Earth:
And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 49:36
Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - Ezekiel 7:2
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. - Daniel 4:11
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - Matthew 4:8
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth. - Acts 10:11
I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation 7:1
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8
The number of verses that teach the earth is a round spinning ball orbiting the sun? 0
Some would argue that these verses were meant to convey the sun from our perspective. I would have to ask: why would the standard of truth and the Sovereign God wish to communicate the truth of the earth He created from OUR perspective? This sort of reasoning is what led to many false teaching regarding the creation account. For them, they start with the presupposition that evolution is true, and then reason that God only communicated the creation account through poetic symbolism and yet the same ones would use the "circle" reference as anything but a symbol.
The Scriptures are the source and standard of truth and would not be if the information that is being communicated is based merely upon man and his "perspective."
Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners" of the earth only makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earth were a ball there wouldn't be one corner, let alone four. Yes, I recognize that the "four corners" could be merely an "all encompassing" reference, however. It still stands as a mental thorn in the minds of those that wish to believe we are on a spinning ball.
Finally, I wish to say that, as Christians, we stand upon the Word of God on these matters. If one believes that they should begin with this evil system and use the Bible as a footnote, you have already been defeated.
"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." - Jesus Christ (John 8:32)"

So Bob, totally unprovable 24 'six days' of recent creation in the Bible are infallible truth and this is literal, but a provably wrong flat disc Earth with four corners in the Bible is merely figurative and this time not literal infallible truth?
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposes himself

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:43 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:I tried to send the following 'private' message to Chartsil but I am having technical difficulties:
"Accusatory bigot Sorensen.
Emails sent to Bob, Curtis and others:

" ... Meantime I just sent this private message (it's no longer private!) to CHartsil who runs 'The Question Evolution Project Debunked' on Facebook (sent via the BCSE website):
"Accusatory bigot Sorensen.
On his main Facebook page he's claiming: "Interesting that when posts are shared, he leaves off the comments (except on pictures, can't ignore the captions). "We don't censor."So, by omitting what we say, he is censoring us. Hypocrisy in action."
But when I clicked upon one of Sorensen's images on your page I then was able to read Sorensen's text (which is what I assume he means by 'comments'). Either he is lying or he has not yet made this discovery ...
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Super ... =3&theater
Perhaps Curtis might wish to reconsider his Facebook comment "Nailed him"?"

and:

"Click on the Ashes to Ashes image here and see what comes up on your screen.
https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked
Of course you will never ever apologise for being wrong. This is bcc'ed to several original recipients.""


Despite seeing this page and receiving my emails, the hypocrites have NOT removed or corrected their wrong statements here:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/ (as posted at 16.00 hours on 19 December)
"You'll need to click for the full size on this puppy. An atheopath with a Page that exists to ridicule us (he has several, but has a particular seething hatred for us, possibly because he knows we aren't backing down and know his tricks) complains of "censorship". Nobody has to give blasphemers and trolls a forum, even though they pretend that they have the "right" to ruin other people's establishments. Interesting that when posts are shared, he leaves off the comments (except on pictures, can't ignore the captions). "We don't censor."So, by omitting what we say, he is censoring us. Hypocrisy in action..." etc
See also the comment "Nailed him" on this page underneath the Sorensen hate post against TQEPD:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
And see HERE where the Sorensen accusations against TQEPD CAN be read in FULL despite Sorensen's hate-motivated claim to the contrary:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Super ... =3&theater
(click on the LOL link here and you will get the preceding link: https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked)

The christofascist creationists Sorensen and Long have been shown via this page and via email to have posted WRONG information - yet they REFUSE to remove or correct it and pretend to their cretinous followers that the factual rebuttal doesn't exist. Never mind 'atheists', what is it like to live a daily LIE Bob and Curtis (and your sidekick Wolcott who pretends creationists have answered all objections yet deliberately ignores all my questions to him here at 17.39 hours on 19 Dec even after they were sent to his blog page)? "they never have anything actually difficult nor which hasn't been refuted many, many times". EXCEPT that unanswered dinosaur fossil thing, that interstellar asteroid thing and the biblical flat Earth thing, Charlie. To name but three.

As some church ministers don't usually ask of their flock, if you were accused of being a 'lying creationist' would there be enough evidence to convict you?
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TQEP versus TQEPD

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:41 pm

Perhaps the latter should state on his Facebook page "click on the illustrations posted by TQEP to read TQEP posts in full" or some such? It might not be obvious to everyone that readers can do this and it might look like partial 'censorship' to the uninitiated?
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YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:35 pm

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
He's been hawking one of his old articles on Facebook, one entitled 'Climate Change and the Bible'; in his comments at his Facebook page he doesn't mention or quote a single Bible verse. He then links to this:
http://radaractive.blogspot.co.uk/2016/ ... m=facebook
Notice how Sorensen failed to mention a single Bible verse in January 2016 (just after a record-breaking warm December in the UK incidentally).

And guess what the ICR morons came out with in the article Sorensen linked to:
http://www.icr.org/article/9088 'Genesis and Climate Change.'
Just two Bible verses (one of which is not from Genesis and has NOTHING to do with climate).

And tripe like this:
"Unsurprisingly, climate panic is often tied to an unbiblical worldview. Secular scientists deny the Genesis Flood, which is the greatest climate change event in history and the only convincing explanation for an Ice Age. Moreover, God promised us a relatively stable climate in the post-Flood world (Genesis 8:22)." Indeed he did. And these ICR morons think an Ice Age (after the Flood in Genesis) is a 'relatively stable climate'. No wonder many of them voted for Trump. These christofascists are abusing both the Bible AND the climate - undermining both Christianity and the health of the planet and rest of the human race who can't get off their sinking ship.

What these bigots are pushing here has got NOTHING to do with Christianity (or science).

It's proof of course that Genesis and reality do not match. Thus not only reality gets twisted by these people but also, on occasions, the Bible is twisted and misused for their right-wing, anti-science, ideology.
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YEC Bob Sorensen's fictitious fantasies - far out

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:12 am

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/12 ... ology.html
Every species on the planet that was around 4,500 years ago - not merely placental mammals - survived the Genesis 'worldwide' flood, Bob. And no ark was necessary to ensure that. As for dinosaurs, even if they had still been around that recently, they too would never have had to cope with such an event. Because it is fictional.

And this 'tinhorn' prefers truth and history to fantasies and myths:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/12 ... ructs.html
He claims that the Oort Cloud - unlike the interstellar asteroid (it's not an alien space-ship) which has just DESTROYED young earth creationism - is 'fiction'. "Yeah, that's the kind of thinking that tinhorns like this one use to justify the fictitious, evidence free rescuing device called the Oort cloud." NO, Bob. Not a 'rescuing device'. Simply a hypothesis to explain OBSERVED REALITY. That there are lots of long period comets and they have to have come from SOMEWHERE. (Though admittedly not as far out as Oumuamua.)

Five days off from AiG and Sorensen. I didn't miss their stuff that much.

Funny how Bob is still terrified of directly challenging what people like myself and TQEPD write either here or on Facebook. Much easier to shout to his brainless (and diminishing?) Facebook rabble that we are all 'illogical'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbg6xoS3K3U

So - this stands unrefuted:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=1005#p51780
"Except for the evidence known as long period comets with highly elliptical orbits - pointing to how very far away from the sun they are at aphelion - and coming on trajectories that are steeply inclined to the ecliptic, liar Bob. Plus the fact that since asteroid Oumuamua has destroyed young earth creationism, we now have further confirmation that the solar system is 4.5bn rather than 6,000 years old so that reservoir of comets known as the Oort Cloud makes perfect sense. Perhaps it was created by God - strange how YECs are saying God created no such thing. And two months ago we couldn't detect any interstellar asteroids liar Bob - but God created some of those too. So it's a good job real science is NOT solely limited to "the study of the natural world using the five senses" and that so-called 'desperate measures' (which sometimes falsify a 'young' 6,000 year old universe) are sometimes vindicated later on."

Care to have another go, Bob?

Probably not. He'll move on and pretend to himself that calling me 'illogical' was a 'refutation'. And that saying God did not create something in distant space and it doesn't exist is not bordering on blasphemy.

As for Dr Faulkner of AiG he's gone rather quiet lately:
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/ ... -asteroid/
"While we creationists may not have explicitly predicted such a thing ...". Indeed you did not. You would have been mad to do so.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby CHartsil » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:55 pm

Bob has now resorted to thinking he's slick by deleting and reposting wallposts after they've been shared to TQEP Debunked. Because that screams 'confidence'. Lol
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