YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby CHartsil » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:31 pm

TQEPD misrepresented TQEP and Ashley Haworth-Roberts cheers about it. I showed where he was also being dishonest. What I have been writing is not difficult to understand for most people.


If I so egregiously misrepresented Bob's material, feel free to come to my page and correct/debate me. If you're too scared, I understand.

https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked
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Bob Sorensen - pathological liar

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:31 pm

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsoren ... =3&theater

I spoke the truth and you lie and lie again, Bob. Even most other creationists admit there is EVIDENCE for the beliefs of non-YECs that evolution and deep time are real. They lecture people that we ALL have the SAME evidence and it is a question of 'worldview' and whether you start with the Bible (and make the evidence 'fit' it) or start with the evidence and an OPEN MIND.

"Of course, when I say there's no evidence for muck-to-misotheist evolution, I'm lying. Here's proof." How sad that a professing Christian is incapable of sincerely telling the truth.

No wonder Bob won't debate. He's so bigoted (and cowardly) that he has to shut down any challenges and resort to mockery on his own closed highly-policed propaganda pages.

(Whereas this and TQEPD are open pages where Bob is at liberty to post.)
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Indignant YEC

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:03 am

https://creation.com/review-of-grand-ca ... ient-earth
A highly negative review of the book featured here:
https://www.amazon.com/Grand-Canyon-Mon ... 0825444217
"... -Why are there no dinosaur, bird or mammal fossils in the canyon’s layers? - ...".
A question this CMI book review does not address.

Apparently the authors of The Grand Canyon: Monument to an Ancient Earth (which I've not read) are either insufficiently aware of the hypotheses of Mr Woodmorappe and other flood geologists or maybe they are deliberately ignoring them.

Like much that appears on the CMI website this article, whilst discussing certain scientific topics such as soils and sediments, is decidedly propagandist in tone eg "All such conclusions in this book involve subjective interpretations masquerading as facts, and all of them are completely steeped in uniformitarian reasoning. Moreover, most of them are based on superficial reasoning; furthermore with not so much as a glimmer of questioning of canned uniformitarian explanations." " this book is little more than an uncritical rehash of the same set of old arguments that are imagined, by atheistic geologists, by compromising evangelical geologists, and by neo-Cuvierist geologists alike, to nullify Flood geology. They are, in the context of this book, nothing less than a monument to the virtual enslavement of compromising evangelicals to rigid uniformitarian ideology."

Woodmorappe sounds really angry that professing Christians dare write what they wrote. Christians should not agree with 'uniformitarian' geologists they should agree with flood geologist creationists! People like him (even when some of their referenced thoughts are 20 years old). This is the mindset of someone who has decided that Bible verses trump physical evidence and doctrine trumps open-minded thinking about the ancient geological past.

But of course Cowboy Bob likes this CMI hatchet job:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/11 ... tions.html
He's angry that the authors of the book under review: "used outdated science arguments that creationists have already addressed long ago". Addressing arguments is not the same thing as refuting them. (And Ken Ham did not address the arguments against 'shallow time' put forward by Bill Nye at the 2014 debate, other than trying to claim that radiometric dating methods are rubbish.)
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby CHartsil » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:47 pm

I'm still just over here waiting on a viable DNA sample from dinosaur remains. We find them in countless remains that are only a few thousand years old so if dinosaurs existed at the time of the flood, we should find enough DNA to map their entire genome in dinosaurs as well.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:10 pm

CHartsil wrote:I'm still just over here waiting on a viable DNA sample from dinosaur remains. We find them in countless remains that are only a few thousand years old so if dinosaurs existed at the time of the flood, we should find enough DNA to map their entire genome in dinosaurs as well.



I see your nazi 'friend' Curtis Long has been at it again. Guilt by association. Just like what happens in North Korea:
https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked/p ... =3&theater
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:50 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:
CHartsil wrote:I'm still just over here waiting on a viable DNA sample from dinosaur remains. We find them in countless remains that are only a few thousand years old so if dinosaurs existed at the time of the flood, we should find enough DNA to map their entire genome in dinosaurs as well.



I see your nazi 'friend' Curtis Long has been at it again. Guilt by association. Just like what happens in North Korea:
https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked/p ... =3&theater



Having investigated further THIS is what Sorensen wrote in FULL which I think TQEPD should have reproduced on his page:
"An anti-creationist bigot was caught supporting suppression of creation science in the secular science industry — and being galactically stupid as well. Also, he could not be bothered to read the material that he ridicules. In this case, it is the secularists who are calling for changes in the peer review process.
Later, he "debunked" a post about how Saturn and other celestial bodies frustrate old universe claims by linking to an article on propaganda.talk.origins that was (a) off topic; (b) from 2004; (c) referencing material from 1995; (d) propaganda.talk.origins; (3) the propaganda post used secularist "maybe" "could have" excuses and not science. His credibility was already in the negative numbers (as is that of his greatest cheerleader), and he "debunks" astronomical findings from 2014 and 2015 with irrelevant, off-topic, greatly outdated propaganda. What do you want to bet that yet again, he didn't read the material? See, that's who they are and what they do. No need to let trolls buffalo you.
I made an addendum about the bigotry to the original article so the world can see the troll in all its glory: http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/10 ... eview.html [this has an Addendum which claims "Speaking of suppressing creation science, an anti-creationist bigot (who cannot even be bothered to read the material he mocks, since it's the secularists who are clamoring for change) is approving of bigotry in the secular science industry:"]

So-called 'Hitler-Robbers' does NOT approve of the TQEPD post in question because it does not address all the issues raised - and the nazi jerk Long should STOP accusing me of 'lying' and 'misrepresenting' because I do NOT do those things and I do NOT approve of others who do it (whether deliberately or accidentally). TQEPD was NOT however, as claimed by Sorensen, approving of 'bigotry'. He was agreeing that fake 'science' should not be accepted as 'science'. He was correct on 31 October that peer review "keeps out the non-science like creationism".

Unlike some people who oppose creationists, I am NOT a 'troll' (even if they find me annoying and a threat). Whereas Sorensen and Long, in trying to make me 'guilty' (as apparently TQEPD's 'greatest cheerleader') by association, are once again proving to the world that they are malicious libellous hate-filled LIARS (and not real Christians just angry bigots I suggest).


READ THIS POST CREATIONIST TROLLS. I AM NOT, I REPEAT NOT, CHEERLEADING THE POST BY TQEPD THAT YOU ARE ATTACKING. UNTIL NOW I HAD NOT EVEN MENTIONED IT. ANYWHERE.

If Sorensen and Long were honest they would delete their latest venomous lies against myself. If.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:30 pm

To CLARIFY, Sorensen's LONG (no pun intended) Facebook post that I quoted a few minutes ago was made AFTER the first comment by TQEPD about keeping out "non-science like creationism". The TEQPD post which ignored that lengthy Sorensen Facebook post was the recent one which reads: "Remember, any theist or creationist who thinks anything on this page is in error or in any way a misrepresentation is free to come here and correct it if they have the nerve to do so.
Or you could just cowardly bark from another page...".
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby CHartsil » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:18 am

Having investigated further THIS is what Sorensen wrote in FULL which I think TQEPD should have reproduced on his page


When you share a post by copying and pasting the link, it truncates the original post just for the preview but it's all still there. You just have to click 'See More' at the bottom of the share.
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YEC Bob Sorensen - fascist lying bigot

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:40 am

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/ (post violating Facebook community standards made 2 hours ago, under a main post that begins "An anti-creationist bigot was caught supporting ...")

"Haywire approves and denies at the same time:
TQEPD was NOT however, as claimed by Sorensen, approving of 'bigotry'. He was agreeing that fake 'science' should not be accepted as 'science'. He was correct on 31 October that peer review "keeps out the non-science like creationism".
He approves of bigotry, plain and simple. Then lies. Typical."

Notice how the hate-filled hypocrite fails to link to this page and then QUOTE MINES me.

The liar and the person quote mining is SORENSEN. For almost the millionth time.

If I approved of bigotry I would become a Sorensen supporter :)
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:43 pm

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsoren ... =3&theater
He's a wit isn't he. (And libelling is easier than debating facts.)

But it's easy to tell that Bob the semi-naked cowboy is an angry far right bigot who is seething rather than laughing:
https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen
"... Like Haywire the Stalker, they have no idea what the word "fascist" means and use it anyway, but I digress...".

Maybe I should be calling him 'authoritarian' instead? He stamps on free speech and lies about people (and their words) who disagree with him - on pages where those who are libelled are unable to defend themselves.

(I googled 'Christian fascist' and found stuff like this:
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/trump ... -fascists/
It fails to mention creationism; an oversight I think since almost all creationists are right of centre, often far to the right ie Trumpian or its equivalent elsewhere. People who keep banging on about others as 'leftists'.)
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Everyone's talking about it

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:02 am

The Cambrian explosion.

Here:
https://www.facebook.com/TQEPDebunked

and here:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/11 ... nists.html
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
"Blasting Cambrian Explosion Explanations"
The Cambrian Explosion still falsifies evolution, despite the "Science of the Gaps" excuses.
Read more here:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2013/06 ... tions.html"

Perhaps they should have a debate. Since Bob would have us believe he's found the truth.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby CHartsil » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:00 am

From Stephen C Meyer to Kent Hovind, I have yet to hear a creationist attempt to explain exactly how there having been nothing but now-extinct marine organisms 550ma ago is a problem for evolution.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby MisterGordons » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:25 am

CHartsil wrote:From Stephen C Meyer to Kent Hovind, I have yet to hear a creationist attempt to explain exactly how there having been nothing but now-extinct marine organisms 550ma ago is a problem for evolution.


The meat machine using the names Christopher Hartsil and Joe Gallman and many others demonstrates profound lack of understanding of evolution. It has done this here and especially on the 'Debunked' page that has been accurately described as 'straw man central'. This meat machine also misrepresents religious people instead of debunking what they actually say. This meat machine is either lazy or dishonest by claiming that creationists, biblical and evolutionary, have not attempted to explain why the Cambrian Explosion is a problem for believers in evolution. Common sense would suggest using a major search engine.

The Cambrian period has been a problem for many years. Charles Darwin admitted this. Meat machines that believe in evolution have admitted they have a problem and tried to explain it away. Meat machines that believe their Bible have posited their responses and also explained why the Cambrian explosion is a problem for evolutionary scientists. Uneducated people have no excuse for railing against creationists when the answers have been made available for many years.

https://crev.info/2013/06/cambrian-expl ... o-answers/
https://creation.com/exploding-evolution
http://www.learnthebible.org/cambrian-e ... ution.html
https://creation.com/cambrian-explosion ... odiversity
https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/fo ... explosion/

The meat machine posing the complain has no more excuses. Meat machines with a creationist perspective have dealt with the complaint for many years.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

Postby CHartsil » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:02 pm

The Cambrian period has been a problem for many years. Charles Darwin admitted this. Meat machines that believe in evolution have admitted they have a problem and tried to explain it away. Meat machines that believe their Bible have posited their responses and also explained why the Cambrian explosion is a problem for evolutionary scientists. Uneducated people have no excuse for railing against creationists when the answers have been made available for many years.


Just chanting it over and over doesn't make it so.


The Ediacaran and Cambrian periods witnessed a phase of morphological innovation in animal evolution unrivaled in metazoan history, yet the proximate causes of this body plan revolution remain decidedly murky.


Decidedly murky? There are half a dozen precursors to trilobites alone. The reason the Cambrian seemed so sudden is because it marked the appearance of hard body parts, which fossilized much more readily. But no, what I'm wanting is the explanation for how there ONLY having been small marine organisms 550ma ago being evidence against evolution or for the idea that all organisms existed contemporaneously.

I am proud of you for evolving enough guts to post at least that much, MisterGordons
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Re:

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:59 pm

Gordons did that CMI thing. "We have answered this question and the answer is found somewhere here - [followed by five links to previous material]."
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