YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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Online Evil by a professing Christian

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:31 pm

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 4554080351 (17 posts at the present moment)
http://worldviewwarriors.blogspot.co.uk ... ology.html (the original blog post - the blogger is deafeningly silent about his blog, unlike loudmouth Sorensen)
(Roger and any others who are bored with Bob's antics, or bored with me highlighting them, please avoid looking at this link.)
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Ongoing 'Flood Geology' etc discussion

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:17 pm

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 4815510496
Now there are 45 posts here! Sorensen has apparently run away - after receiving a good hiding. But there have been interactions with the blogger himself (Steve Risner) plus some email unpleasantness with Mr Defending Liars himself Tony Breeden (my reply to him just now can be read on the thread which I invited him to join if he had anything worthwhile to say). It's certainly quite a lively thread.
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Evil YEC totalitarians

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:01 am

Email as sent:

"Most of you probably looked at this thread - when there were up to 69 posts there. Now there are just 43:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 4924688268

THEY HAVE JUST NOW SUDDENLY - WHEN THEY THINK I MIGHT BE ASLEEP - AND WITHOUT WARNING REMOVED EVERY SINGLE POST BY MYSELF AND ALL OTHER CRITICS [IN FACT IT MAY BE JUST MY POSTS] IN THIS THREAD THAT PROVED SORENSEN, GORDONS, BREEDEN, WOLCOTT, RISNER ETC ALL TO BE COMPLETE INTOLERANT ANTI-SCIENTIFIC FRAUDS, BIGOTS AND SERIAL LIARS WHO ARE WARRIORS NOT FOR CHRISTIANITY BUT AGAINST SCIENCE.

THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL LYING TOTALITARIAN FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGIOUS BIGOTS. I DO NOT HAVE THE WORDS TO EXPRESS FULLY THE UTTER CONTEMPT I FEEL FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.

I have told them they are "all evil". But don't expect to read my new comment unless you are extremely quick ...

They accused me of 'not understanding their position properly'. Funny that Worldview Warriors have now listened to Bully Boy Sorensen (who got SLAUGHTERED in the thread and only returned to ask again for censorship of truth when the coward and liar Breeden complained to him about our recent email exchanges where he made a total fool of himself) and also the Nazi 'Mr Gordons'* and decided that the censorship these lying bigots craved should happen as though my alleged 'poor understanding' was somehow a huge embarrassment to YEC-ism and not me! As if. The embarrassment came from my perfectly ADEQUATE understanding of their beliefs - and my REFUTATIONS of the nonsense and bigotry being churned out.

These people are evil, delusional, bigoted LIARS. Who pretend to the world that 'NOBODY CAN REFUTE US'.

The reality is VERY different. Their stinking ordure is in fact EASY to refute.

YEC is a cult that attracts evil people and people - like Jason de Zurik of Worldview Warriors of whom I naively expected better than the extremely BAD FAITH he is now showing - who will not go to heaven unless God actually exists and that God is evil (or if he is not only if they repent of their hypocritical wickedness).

These people CANNOT cope with free discussion. They get slaughtered by anyone who has done their homework. So in desperation SOONER OR LATER THEY ALWAYS REACH FOR THE CENSORSHIP BUTTON. But they cannot censor HISTORY and REALITY. Pathetic fools! They will never silence me or any other informed critic. I will expose them in the places where they cannot censor me. I urge others to try and do likewise (whether Christians or non-Christians). Let's be Warriors against totalitarian Christians/'Christians'.

* See the Gordons comment here dated 19 July 2014 and prepare to be shocked:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 3666016049
"People like him should be forcibly confined or eliminated for the sake of survivability."
Said the Fuhrer himself when referring to Jews, socialists, gypsies, the mentally impaired and disabled, non-Aryans, homosexuals, critics of Nazi ideology etc.


PS Facebook message sent to Jason DeZurik who runs this fundamentalist Christian site:
"You are evil DeZurik. You should not listen to evil people like Sorensen and Gordons.
It would serve you right if I was a liar and I had in fact taken photos (contrary to what I admitted because I naively trusted you) of all the posts you cowards and frauds want hidden on the Worldview Warriors blog. As it is many people will have read them before you decided to 'zap' them. YECs CANNOT zap science, nor history nor reality. Totalitarian behaviour is SO false and deceitful."


PPS As it was posted in my comments at the now zapped WWs thread, I am now posting HERE my wide circulation earlier email to Tony Breeden (who thinks lying by Sorensen in that thread was OK):
"I know you don't like them, Tony, but here are some key facts.
(1)
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/02 ... ology.html
"When secular geologists see evidence for catastrophe from their own sources, they unenthusiastically make some allowances for such processes." Of course they do.
YEC blogger Bob Sorensen on 14 Feb - linking to this other YEC blog about the past formation of a canyon and waterfall in Iceland:
http://crev.info/2015/02/a-niagara-clas ... l-in-days/
(2)
Blogger Steve Risner (Risner may be uninformed rather than dishonest; I cannot yet form a judgment due to only brief online interactions) on 19 Feb:
"Uniformitarianism is the belief that “the present is the key to the past” which basically means the rates of current geologic processes are the only means by which past geologic formations were created. This idea has been rejected since the 1970’s but is still taught and held on to by many who refuse to admit the creationists have been right all along."
http://worldviewwarriors.blogspot.co.uk ... ology.html
(3) Risner's comments sounded like an accusation of fraud and stupidity against non-creationists, suggesting that most of them still deny all non-catastrophic geological events, though he now says I may have somehow misread him. So I commented as follows under his blog: "I am sorry but that is utter garbage. The YECs are still wrong but some formations are formed by catastrophic rapid events and only a fool would deny that and scientists are not fools. Typical YEC bigotry. See here (my latest two [now three] comments) if you dare:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2967&start=1620
(By "still wrong" I meant eg a literally worldwide and mountain covering flood as in Genesis certainly did not occur during the last 5,000 years; the link highlights baseless claims by Answers in Genesis about 'when' the canyon and waterfall in Iceland 'must' have been catastrophically formed by extreme flooding after volcanic eruptions melted a large glacier on three occasions.)
(4) Having read and blogged about the recent Iceland research, Sorensen knew that Risner was giving a wrong impression in his blog (that 'many' scientists or educators still teach that catastrophic events cannot cause new geological formations) and he therefore knew that my comments were a valid challenge to what Risner wrote. Yet instead of addressing the issue at hand (or keeping silent), Sorensen chose to try and smear me with comments like: "Assertions are not refutation. Nor are accusations. Nor are your opinions." And: "Assertions are not evidence. Calling someone a liar without evidence makes the accuser the liar — which is something this guy has a habit of doing. Ad hominem much, or just constantly?" (I have provided abundant evidence previously that Sorensen is a - habitual - liar, by email or on the BCSE community forum.)
(5) The Rev'd Tony Breeden is now emailing me to claim that "You're attempting to ... vilify Bob Sorensen when he really did nothing wrong". So deliberately evading the real issue and instead making false statements about anti-creationists is OK is it Tony? A very detailed history of Sorensen doing nothing wrong can be viewed here (but if you look instead at his own blog and Facebook pages you will only get his side of the story with any quotes from myself selectively edited or outright omitted - sometimes he attacks my words without naming me or providing any link or perhaps calling me 'Haywire' or a 'troll'):
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=615
Breeden needs to know that Sorensen has repeatedly accused me of lying and/or misrepresentation in his blog posts during the past several years - but he has refused EVER to answer a single question from me (sent by email and copied more widely) about his blanket and non-specific accusations against me. Such as how I supposedly once 'misrepresented' one of his heroes, Ken Ham. Some of you may recall that episode.
Now Breeden has refused, as in one of my replies to him yesterday, to "tell me HOW and WHY Sorensen did 'not' lie". Instead he has waffled about what creationists believe regarding the past (something I am not ignorant about). YEC Preaching and Hot Air - instead of Answers. He carefully avoids the real issue - the serial dishonesty by the YEC lobby (I mean those YECs who should know better and do know better) within today's Christianity in the USA and beyond. Dishonesty that gets exposed in the rare cases where the YECs cannot have the contrary comments in threads rapidly CENSORED.
I suggested last night that Breeden might join the thread at Worldview Warriors if he had something worthwhile to say - against my comments or more generally (I assume Breeden is now aware that I have in the past 24 hours exchanged detailed comments with blogger Steve Risner). But he has not done so.
Instead Breeden has sent a rather childish email to those I previously copied in. His message includes a reference to a "subtle straw man argument you've thatched". He needs to be more explicit as I absolutely do not know what he is talking about there (does anyone else; please enlighten me if so?). I am not lying. Breeden could perhaps read through the whole Worldview Warriors thread and then either substantiate his accusation - or withdraw it.
Breeden has also refused to answer the following (which I posted under one of his recent blogs, but he chose to censor the comment even though it was relevant to his blog topic): "If 'science' informed by biblical revelation is the real truth, why does it not work and why has it so far failed to come up with coherent scientific theories - such that the only people who believe in it are religious fundamentalists, the ignorant, and those already convinced by other young Earth creationist ideologues and apologists?
Maybe your book answers my question? Does eg what is observed in distant galaxies also get explained 'according to' the Bible in your book? Or just what has been observed in real time on Earth or in a lab?
There is only one way to do science. By starting with evidence and not with inflexible dogma. Otherwise you are doing religion or philosophy."
(See here:
https://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2015 ... efgen-org/)
Bob Sorensen is a blatant unrepentant serial Liar. See here (the full discussion under the Risner blog of 19 Feb):
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 8299573242 (discussions under the Risner blog)
So is Rev'd Tony Breeden. Who is attempting to defend the indefensible.
Unless anybody can PROVE otherwise. So far Breeden himself has failed dismally in that regard.
Liars - and unrepentant.I don't ever receive refutations from this pair. Rather I receive vitriol or playground insults (I'm quite thick skinned and this is all 'virtual communication' anyway).
But what does that kind of response tell you?
They would do the same to anyone else that they viewed as a 'threat'. Someone who has done some basic homework and carefully backs up what they allege against YEC extra-biblical/ 'Genesis confirming'/science denying claims."

(The only response by Breeden was in effect merely to claim that I am a 'troll'.)
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I'm feeling a little queasy after reading this

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:57 pm

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman
"Bob has endured a lot of needless persecution from both unbelieving individuals and Christians since he started his page. Even through all of this, he has been able to maintain his resolve and keep this page going. I think that it is time that everyone reminds him of how much he is appreciated.
~Jason"

The comments underneath show what religious zealotry and a willingness to be indoctrinated can do to people's awareness of reality, judgement, self-awareness, respect or lack of it for others, and unwillingness to recognise the perception by everyone else that these people are deluded in some way and are arrogantly 'fighting' to get a hearing by lying, lying and lying again.

I cannot deny that Bob's pages provide much entertainment and food for thought however.

(Have flagged this link to Jason Petersen, on the assumption that it is he who is gushing at the above link.)
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:48 am

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/03 ... sions.html
"Did I go on a "poor me, you censors hate me" posting and letter writing campaign? Not hardly."
No - he wrote a whinging blog entitled 'Critics, Research and Obsessions' instead...
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Latest Sorensen deliberately wrong claims

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:31 pm

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/03 ... ience.html '
"For many years, proponents of goo-to-you evolution have been creating a false war between "science" and "faith". The truth is there is no conflict between the two."
And so, if you are really not anti-science Bob, why don't you agree with Christians like Francis Collins of Biologos?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015 ... h-science/ 'Why I'm a man of Science - and Faith'.

The war between science and fundamentalist faith is REAL, liar Bob. What you call 'science' is creationism, motivated by fundamentalist faith, and not science. You hate mainstream science, whenever it addresses our origins.


PS MORE Sorensen hot air on his rather totalitarian Facebook page today:
"Once again, creationist predictions are being supported by scientific findings. (Of course, some tinhorns try to dismiss the evidence by calling people liars and saying, in effect, "That's not true!" and misrepresenting creationist views. In other news, the moon has craters.) Here is something that anti-creationists don't like:
https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken- ... cessorize/"
IF he is referring to MY comments HERE re the Ham drivel, then Sorensen is LYING (again) as I 'misrepresented' precisely NOBODY.
IF he is referring to somebody else's comments concerning Ham's latest Neanderthal claims, why does Sorensen not quote the offending comments (ie RIGHT NOW as I know he reads this community forum desperately looking for ammunition as I do - and finding it - reading his blogs)?
IF he is simply making up his claims about 'tinhorns', and not referring to a real person, then he is again LYING.
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A creationist lying for Easter

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:53 pm

This post actually relates to discussion in the 'jawbone' thread at the Free For All.


Email as just sent:

"
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/04 ... -link.html (talking of Lie Fests, here's Bob Sorensen with some jaw jaw)
"... one predictably calling it a lie fest, presumably because it shows flaws in evolutionists' methods".

That would be ME.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3638 (my post at 2.15 am on 22 March)

NO, Bob. I called the Answers in Genesis article of 21 March about the Ledi jaw a Lie Fest because that is what it was. The article asserted various things but in my firm opinion it 'showed' nothing that was contrary to the viewpoint of the scientists involved.

Radiometric dating methods work just fine. And the AiG 'answer' regarding which species owned this nearly 3 million year old jaw is pure science denial. If you are a Bible fundamentalist you are forced to opine that this jaw was either from a member of 'our' species (but which was not around at the time this individual lived) or that it 'must' have belonged to some kind of 'extinct ape'. Like the 'evolutionists', AiG - after some delay - chose the former (but they deny that the creature could have been any other Homo species apart from us because they insist that there has only ever been ONE species of Homo - ie Homo sapiens). Yet it is obvious that the jaw is so different to the jaw of any human living today that they are forced also to admit that it 'must' have belonged to an 'archaic' human. However they would define that (or not). NO real scientists think that 'archaic' humans were around less than 5,000 years ago, the time AiG insist this individual 'must' have been alive.

The article almost betrays its scientific dishonesty to its intended audience! By stating: "though like afarensis [which AiG pretend was some kind of extinct gorilla ie an APE and not 'human'] the Ledi jaw lacks the protruding chin of most modern humans, this feature varies considerably among archaic humans, so not having a prominent chin isn’t really diagnostic of an evolutionary relationship with the extinct ape, particularly in the face of the jaw’s many human, non-australopithecine anatomical features".

Thus AiG are forced - by reality - to spin the line that although this jaw does not resemble the jaw of any living member of our species, it 'does' resemble the jaw of some hypothetical 'archaic' member of our species - a member that mysteriously possessed a more ape-like jaw than we do, and which mysteriously must have been around less than 5,000 years ago but which also mysteriously cannot be found living anywhere today or in the very recent past.

Which makes perfect sense to AiG, their hardline supporters, and Bob it would seem. Though not to scientifically informed and open-minded Christians who do not belong to the cult-like young Earth creationist movement.

Clueless Bob also appears to have failed to notice (because he used the phrase "specious species reasoning") that Answers in Genesis did AGREE with the general conclusion of the scientists that the jaw probably belonged to a Homo species (though they insisted, against the evidence, that it was OUR species).

The viewpoint from a more honest Christian, the blogger Jimpithecus:
http://scienceandcreation.blogspot.co.u ... n-and.html

I've just recalled that I also commented in more detail about the AiG article under THIS blog. Something Bob Sorensen FAILS to acknowledge or address:
http://www.evoanth.net/2015/03/10/human ... mment-3663

A H-R

PS While you are at it Bob, perhaps you would care to ANSWER my question HERE (which I KNOW you will have seen) as posted at 23.31 pm on 30 March?
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=615"

PPS ON 5 APRIL - SORENSEN HAS EVADED ALL THE CONTENT OF MY EMAIL, AND HAS INSTEAD MADE ANOTHER PROPAGANDA BLOG POST IMPLYING THAT IF HIS CRITICS HAVE AN 'INCOHERENT WORLDVIEW' THEN THEIR MESSAGES THAT PROVE HIM TO BE A LIAR COUNT FOR NOTHING AND HE IS ENTITLED TO IGNORE THEM:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/04 ... nists.html
I HAVE SENT ANOTHER WIDE CIRCULATION EMAIL IN RESPONSE. BUT IF SORENSEN WISHES TO READ THE EMAIL HE WILL HAVE TO STOP TRYING TO BLOCK MY EMAILS AND READ FOR HIMSELF WHAT I HAVE SAID OR ASK SOMEONE ELSE TO FORWARD IT TO HIM (THAT ALSO SAVES ME POTENTIALLY BORING READERS OF THIS COMMUNITY FORUM).
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:41 am

Limited circulation email that was cc'd to Sorensen and Coppedge (posted here as an afterthought and also with a couple of typos now CORRECTED):


"
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/04 ... bbles.html
(referencing this: http://crev.info/2015/03/orbital-ice-age-theory-melts/)

Pity the Bible never records ANY 'worldwide ice ages'. And I thought Young Earth creationism was supposedly BIBLICAL.

And - although it refers to the last ice age glaciation - the study reported here does NOT in the LEAST cast any doubt on 'multiple ice ages' in Earth's past but merely their CAUSE(S), Comedy Bob and lying expert David Coppedge:
http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/earl ... 9/G36477.1

"The researchers found that glacier movement in the Southern Hemisphere is influenced primarily by sea surface temperature and atmospheric carbon dioxide..." (from the CREV piece). So WHERE does the Bible tells us all,about variations ie reductions in atmospheric carbon dioxide causing an ice age (YECs say widespread under undersea volcanism accompanied the Genesis Flood ie that it caused COOLING yet volcanoes churn out carbon dioxide as well as sulphur dioxide and other 'cooling gases')?

And if it does NOT then one would assume - since YEC-ism is supposedly 'Biblical' - that YEC 'models' would NOT do so either.

A reminder that Sorensen also BLOCKS my emails. So presumably he will manage not to read MY latest 'illogical' rubbish. So much for claims by him that his opponents know nothing about science or logic (but they STILL fear to read or publish what their opponents say in response to THEIR wild claims even though if the comments were 'nonsense' surely they could refute them easily).

If ONE piece of science ever needs revising ergo YOUNG EARTH CREATIONISM IS PROVEN CORRECT. (According to YECs.)"


PS
Just seen Sorensen on Facebook during 13 April:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman
"Many times, anti-creationists will call creationists "liars" (making themselves into the liars, since they cannot show anything more than disagreement with the creationist views). They often misrepresent creation ministries and individuals. Here is an example of anti-creationist bigotry in action. -CBB" [curiously the ONLY link provided is to Ken Ham's blog post dated 10 April]
COWBOY BOB IS LYING AGAIN. I HAVE SHOWN MANY TIMES THAT 'CREATIONIST VIEWS' AS EXPRESSED BY HIM - NEVER MIND ANYONE ELSE FOR NOW - ARE TOTALLY UNSCIENTIFIC (WHICH EXPLAINS EXACTLY WHY HE CENSORS ME, AND THEN ATTACKS ME - AND OTHERS - ON FACEBOOK WITHOUT BOTHERING TO NAME ME).
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YEC David Coppedge - Liar for Genesis

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:48 am

Further email (wider circulation including Dr Alice Doughty):

"Further to the previous message (to some of you - and added here with the minor typos corrected: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=615) ... it gets even WORSE.

Basically blogger Dr David Coppedge is indulging in deliberate fraud.

http://crev.info/2015/03/orbital-ice-age-theory-melts/ (loved HERE: http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/04 ... bbles.html)
The CREV blog is in response to this recent scientific paper:
http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/earl ... 9/G36477.1

"The researchers found that glacier movement in the Southern Hemisphere is influenced primarily by sea surface temperature and atmospheric carbon dioxide rather than changes in the Earth’s orbit ...".
Coppedge quoting here from a linked article in Astrobiology Magazine:
http://www.astrobio.net/topic/solar-sys ... -ice-ages/
And note the words he chooses to put in bold type re sea surface temperature - as if that helped his case somehow.

His case being - as he states later in the same blog - that when trying to explain the cause of a (non-biblical) single past ice age (YEC timelines only permit one past ice age you understand) "They ['Biblical geologists'] point to rise in sea level temperatures causing massive snowfalls ..." (all triggered by Noah's Flood and claimed massive associated undersea volcanism, apparently).

HOWEVER, I am 99% certain (without paying to read the full paper) that the researchers' identified evidence or signal was of COOLER past sea surface temperatures at the times when the latter part of the last ice glaciation appears to have been affecting the southern hemisphere (as well as the northern hemisphere). In the linked Astrobiology Magazine article Dr Alice Doughty is quoted as saying: "Our results point to the importance of feedbacks - a reaction within the climate system that can amplify the initial climate change, such as cool temperatures leading to larger ice sheets, which reflect more sunlight, which cools the planet further." She and her colleagues clearly have NOT identified a past 'rise' in sea temperatures!

And of course the fraud Coppedge fails to quote THESE particular words from Dr Doughty - hoping that people like Bob Sorensen aka 'Piltdown Superman' will lap up the propaganda aimed at disproving multiple ice ages and talking up the pseudo-scientific ideas put forward by 'Biblical geologists' like Coppedge.

These people are also anti manmade climate change bigots, incidentally. Apparently you are a very poor YEC if you think manmade climate change might be occurring. Even though the Bible is pretty much silent on climate issues.

Having read his blogs regularly for some time (not every single one as he is prolific) Coppedge is a Christian fanatic. I deduce that because he is a clearly intelligent and educated man (ex NASA) who is deliberately churning out misleading and pseudo-scientific PROPAGANDA aimed at uninformed or dishonest fundamentalist Christians.

Coppedge (or whoever [I accidentally typed 'however'] wrote the CREV blog if not him) wants 'creation geologists' ie Christians who think Genesis is ever so important to spread falsehoods! This study has NOT killed off 'orbital forcing' - certainly not for the northern hemisphere. I will give Coppedge the LAST word so you can see how such folk operate online: "Creation geologists should take a close look at this new study and advertise the demise of “orbital forcing” ideas in favor of the only theory that has a documented historical foundation: the Genesis flood." "
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:56 pm

My challenge to Bob here - https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 0088760730 (comments on a recent Worldview Warriors blog) - is "Prof Tertius - a Christian - called you out on your claim [a nonsense comment about the 'Lucy fossil] in his blog. Will you dare read it? Or will you dismiss it without doing so? Please tell us."

Guess what - he has ducked the challenge. I know WHY.

This is the blog in question: https://bibleandscienceforum.wordpress. ... bout-lucy/



http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-936721
However, in the interests of balance - some atheists (see comment 59 onwards; I assume that Caine is an atheist) are also EXTREMELY unpleasant.


PS And now one of the crazy off-topic anonymous/identity concealing TROLLS - who invariably manage to turn up whenever Cowboy Bob has lost an argument and exposed once again for all to see his utter cynical dishonesty and bigotry - has popped up at 'Worldview Warriors' to libel me (he thinks written attacks are 'slander' which shows how much he knows).

PPS The moral of the tale seems to be that the US, or parts of it, is pretty full of craziness.
Oops.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun May 03, 2015 1:44 am

Wide circulation email:

YEC Bob Sorensen - fraud and serial liar in Christian clothing.

Sorensen propaganda dated 24 April:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/04 ... ersed.html
"the alleged transitional form called "Lucy" is about to be shelved...".
(This lie is based on the fact that a stray baboon bone was found to be mixed in with the other bones of this particular Australopithecus afarensis fossil found in Ethiopia - which changes nothing regarding the rest of the bones and is certainly not a 'scientific reversal'.)

Blog by the Christian who calls himself 'Professor Tertius' exposing the nonsense peddled by Sorensen:
https://bibleandscienceforum.wordpress. ... bout-lucy/
"I would love to hear the infamous “Cowboy Bob”explain why a stray fossil bone from another specimen getting washed into the collection of fossil bones labelled 288-1 somehow constitutes a change (“reversal” he calls it) in science!"

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 0415865024
I informed Sorensen of the bible.and.science.forum blog at this discussion and urged him to read it (post 4). His response? "I don't need to address someone who is intent on using fallacies to demonizing me, Christians, and creationists" (post 11). He then ran away rather than deal with my robust reply at post 12.

Now on 2 May Sorensen is posting more propaganda drawing attention to and essentially repeating (certainly not withdrawing) some of his previous lies:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/05 ... d-out.html
"We've seen that scientific "facts", speculations, claims and things get reversed. Evolutionists are contending with the embarrassment that "Lucy", one of our putative ancestors, has been on display for decades with a baboon bone in the skeleton". Implication being that evolutionists (but not creationists) make serious errors or perhaps indulge in scientific fraud. (Yet Ken Ham's Creation Museum deliberately depicts Lucy not as bipedal but as a 'knuckle-walking extinct small gorilla'.)

If he had any integrity he would admit that his previous claim that the fossil is about to be 'shelved' - because of the recently uncovered error - was false. It is not.

This person is unteachable. Sadly people like this easily attract keen followers from some - ignorant and/or bigoted - Christian folk living in America. If you show them to be deceivers they decide that they are being 'persecuted' because they are doing 'God's will'.
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More outright fraud and false accusations from Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 06, 2015 10:24 pm

I am waiting to see whether Worldview Warriors will approve this post at the following thread (they've put me on pre-moderation):
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postI ... lse&page=2

"Yet more proof that Sorensen is an evil liar. He has CHANGED his blog
since first posting it and SINCE my comments about it in these threads
(some of you probably looked at the original and will remember it):
http://biblicalcreationandevangelism.blogspot.co.uk/
PREVIOUSLY where Sorensen used the phrase "misotheist bullies" he
provided a link to a couple of MY past comments at the British Centre
for Science Education community forum (and he annotated the comments
with attacks of his own against them). He has now REMOVED the link that
was about ME. And is deliberately FALSELY stating: "there is no
evidence provided that whatever remarks was made was about him".

The link in question (not the whole article) WAS an attack against me
as a 'misotheist bully' (I am NOT a bully I am simply exposing online
lies).

THAT is why I wrote on 4 May: "I see that the fraud and coward
Sorensen is falsely libelling me a 'bully' ('misotheist bully') behind
my back on one of his blogs that he probably hoped I would not read:
http://biblicalcreationandevangelism.blogspot.co.uk/" (blog post dated
3 May)

He WAS libelling me at the time I made my comment. I stand by every
word. I was not lying about Sorensen. I was telling the truth.

As for my other comment that no comments are permitted under his
blogs, I did NOT know that he theoretically does allow comments under
this particular - obscure - blog (he REFUSES comments at Piltdown
Superman - where he admits to attacking me in the past and where he has
called me 'Haywire' as my surname is Haworth-Roberts). My statement was
NOT a 'lie', it was merely inaccurate and based on ,logical assumptions
about how this person operates ('Professor Tertius', an honest
Christian, then informed me by email that comments are apparently
permitted at 'Biblical Creation and Evangelism').

Sorensen has been found out and that is why he hates me (and yes I
frankly hate him - because of his behaviour not his Christian faith).

Thank you for showing my post 202 but I note I am now on 'comment
moderation'. Is Sorensen also on this, should he return, please?

I am NOT asking for Sorensen comments to be deleted or censored. Let
them stand - as long as I am not censored when replying.

(I have saved this post.)"


PS Yet more arrogance and disdain from YEC Charlie Wolcott HERE (where I have just submitted the following comment which awaits moderation):
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 7394590794
"William Wilberforce, influential in abolishing slavery in the UK, was in fact an evangelical Christian. Whether he had your 'Biblical worldview' I do not know.
"You won't change our minds. Neither will Ashley, neither will David." That's not what this is about. It's about showing that you do not have answers to every question that critics raise; some reading the exchanges might think about what all of us are saying.
Charlie RAN AWAY from the previous discussions under Steve's blogs. So did Steve in the case of the more recent blog.
Presumably getting involved in discussions with people who do not think that Bible verses trumps scientific discoveries and methodology is risky for you. That is, the more you read from more rational people the more you might discover that your own arguments are based more on blind faith than on reason.
I have saved this post as I am still awaiting Jason's decision on whether to clear my post 203 at Steve's blog dated 23 April."

If I get censored by the site this will PROVE that I am dangerous for these Christians.


ADDENDUM - I have just noticed that the message on my screen re moderation states that any new posts I attempt must be approved by the 'blog author' ie Steve Risner (not Jason who runs the site) in the case of my first post above). I am now - at 4 pm BST on 7 May - taking it as a given that he will SILENCE me. (See also my new post at the Worldview Warriors thread.)
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EVIL B******

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu May 07, 2015 8:05 pm

Email as sent:

"Sorensen lying his head off:
http://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/2 ... eason.html (post dated 7 May)

The truth:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=615 (my post at 23.24 hours BST on 6 May)

This is Sorensen's blog where he ORIGINALLY posted a link (by underlining the words 'misotheist bullies' in the last but one paragraph) that attacked me by name:
http://biblicalcreationandevangelism.blogspot.co.uk/ (post dated 3 May)

Among other things, Sorensen LIED by removing a link from his blog that attacked me - AFTER I commented upon the blog - in order to pretend that I was 'lying' (instead of him) at the Worldview Warriors site in saying that he was calling ME in particular a misotheist 'bully' (posts 201 and 202 here):
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postI ... lse&page=2

The link that Sorensen silently REMOVED from his biblicalcreationandevangelism blog was to some past comments made by ME at the BCSE community forum which Sorensen then annotated to try and attack me in a place where I was denied the right of reply (the man is a coward as well as extremely dishonest).

And the lying YEC frauds are Worldview Warriors are CENSORING my response posted 20 hours ago proving that Sorensen was lying lying lying. It can be read at that BCSE link above.

Although Sorensen's latest attack at 'Stormbringer's Thunder' does link his deceived followers to that Worldview Warriors conversation (where my post 202 ALREADY refuted Sorensen BEFORE I then discovered that he had dishonestly ALTERED his blog), he totally fails to show 'defamation' on my part. Because he IGNORES my refutations of his lies (my post 202 which appeared before Worldview Warriors decided to silently ban me from posting and my attempted post 203 which showed that Sorensen is lying lying lying but which is now being CENSORED by the bigots at Worldview Warriors, but however CAN be read in full at the BCSE community forum*).

Sorensen is falsely and furiously libelling me in a place where he denies me the right of reply. I am truthfully libelling him by email where he DOES have the right of reply (but instead he BLOCKS my emails - because he is a fraud and hypocrite).

In fact the libel against me that he DISHONESTLY removed from his blog dated 3 May has now been ADDED BACK at his new hate blog dated 7 May.

And he has NOT proven me 'illogical' and a 'liar' because I am neither of those things. Either now or previously. He however is BOTH of those things.

So much for the fruit of the Spirit and all that. These extremist liars and hypocrites in America make me sick.

Unrepentant persistent hate-filled liars go to a Lake of Fire according to scripture."



* [this post was later re-drafted and the newer version, also censored, can be seen at the 'Worldview Warriors' thread]
"Yet more proof that Sorensen is an evil liar. He has CHANGED his blog
since first posting it and SINCE my comments about it in these threads
(some of you probably looked at the original and will remember it):
http://biblicalcreationandevangelism.blogspot.co.uk/
PREVIOUSLY where Sorensen used the phrase "misotheist bullies" he
provided a link to a couple of MY past comments at the British Centre
for Science Education community forum (and he annotated the comments
with attacks of his own against them). He has now REMOVED the link that
was about ME. And is deliberately FALSELY stating: "there is no
evidence provided that whatever remarks was made was about him".
The link in question (not the whole article) WAS an attack against me
as a 'misotheist bully' (I am NOT a bully I am simply exposing online
lies).
THAT is why I wrote on 4 May: "I see that the fraud and coward
Sorensen is falsely libelling me a 'bully' ('misotheist bully') behind
my back on one of his blogs that he probably hoped I would not read:
http://biblicalcreationandevangelism.blogspot.co.uk/" (blog post dated
3 May)
He WAS libelling me at the time I made my comment. I stand by every
word. I was not lying about Sorensen. I was telling the truth.

As for my other comment that no comments are permitted under his
blogs, I did NOT know that he theoretically does allow comments under
this particular - obscure - blog (he REFUSES comments at Piltdown
Superman - where he admits to attacking me in the past and where he has
called me 'Haywire' as my surname is Haworth-Roberts). My statement was
NOT a 'lie', it was merely inaccurate and based on ,logical assumptions
about how this person operates ('Professor Tertius', an honest
Christian, then informed me by email that comments are apparently
permitted at 'Biblical Creation and Evangelism').

Sorensen has been found out and that is why he hates me (and yes I
frankly hate him - because of his behaviour not his Christian faith).
Thank you for showing my post 202 but I note I am now on 'comment
moderation'. Is Sorensen also on this, should he return, please?
I am NOT asking for Sorensen comments to be deleted or censored. Let
them stand - as long as I am not censored when replying.
(I have saved this post.)"


PS early on 8 May.
The Lying s*** is telling his demented followers on Facebook: "Haywire the Stalker Troll easily refuted everything I said in one short sentence. I may as well quit creation science if I can be put away so handily".
The truth is that I refuted him HERE in great detail and he's knows it but he is a Lying s*** so is deleting ALL my (subsequent) posts linking to this thread.


PPS 9 May:
Worldview Warriors have carried out mass censorship in order to prevent me from EXPOSING there Sorensen's many lies. See new post at the WW's thread.
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Pathological Liar's Daily Hate - refuted

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon May 11, 2015 8:52 pm

Message as sent:



http://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/2 ... aving.html (11 May)
http://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/2 ... eason.html (7 May)

This person is not a Christian. He is a proven deliberate cynical serial hate-filled LIAR. He is NOT a Christian despite all his protestations. Revelation 21:8.

In his blog of 7 May he posts my attack on him (as propaganda against me). But he CENSORS and totally fails to address my BCSE link, where people can read the proof of his utter dishonesty.
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=615

Only an unrepentant pathological liar pretending to be an honest Christian would behave in such a fashion, surely.

And then - because he is so angry - he attacks me again in a blog today. Look at what he accuses me of there. What he is describing is in fact HIS own behaviour - bigotry, bad logic, Ad hominem attacks, cherry picking, .

Sorensen is not a Christian. Unless Christians are meant to be evil. Like this man is.

The first attached photo shows what Sorensen CENSORED (whilst falsely claiming otherwise in his latest comments below the 7 May blog). The other three photos show my latest response made there - which Sorensen will ALSO censor, because he is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR and also filled with hate (and worried that some of his more intelligent followers might discover him to be a hate-filled fraud).
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Wrong messages on Lucy from YECs

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:31 am

http://creation.com/more-evidence-austr ... xtinct-ape
"More and more evidence is accumulating that Australopithecus is nothing more than an extinct ape." By which YECs mean some sort of chimpanzee or gorilla rather similar to those alive today. The claim is untrue. His footnote 4 has been SUPERSEDED by other research. And Oard's propaganda article fails to demonstrate that Lucy was "nothing more than an extinct ape". Oard routinely dismisses any 'human-like' characteristics of the species - whilst talking up its undenied 'ape-like ' characteristics (which did NOT include its method of locomotion). Yes, scientists classify the species not as 'Homo' but as 'Australopithecus' - that does not mean it was some sort of chimpanzee or gorilla. Lucy's species climbed trees AND walked upright (not in the way that today's chimps and gorillas move when on the ground).

But YEC 'Cowboy' Bob Sorensen liked the piece:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/06 ... -best.html
How ironic that the person wanting to spread confusion over Lucy, and to 'slap leather' with actual evidence and reason, is really HIM.
If you don't already believe me - please see HERE (Bob has been told about this blog by me - and rather than refuting it anywhere he has instead whinged and falsely claimed that the blogger is against Christianity/Christians). (This occurred under the Worldview Warriors blog post dated 23 April - but the site unfortunately subsequently deleted his comments of late April as well as most of mine from the same exchanges - where I pointed out how the bible.and.science.forum blog showed that Sorensen was being untruthful when claiming on 24 April that the Lucy species fossil(s) would be 'shelved' because of a stray baboon bone and that this amounted to 'science reversal' like the debunking of 'Phlogiston' was.):
https://bibleandscienceforum.wordpress. ... bout-lucy/

However, for a more COMPLETE view of Australopithecus afarensis, which WAS available to Oard at the time of his CMI article but which he either failed to uncover thus showing a sloppy approach to research or (more likely) which he clearly thought did not help his agenda so omitted to mention, please see my post 33 HERE:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 8066978880

As I have mentioned before, any comments I submit showing how CMI articles seek to MISLEAD are routinely CENSORED (ie NOT refuted under the article concerned). In a way this pleases me because it shows the scientific bankruptcy of young earth creationism. (Whereas if someone writes saying the things David T said - which largely miss the real points - CMI WILL publish such.)
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