Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Peter Henderson » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:45 am

Philip Bell having a go at "compromising Christians" who accept science:

http://creation.com/perils-theistic-evolution

Typical comment from one of their uncompromising Facebook fans. I take it Marc would disagree ?

I'd rather you be an atheist than a compromising Christian clown
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:56 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:Philip Bell having a go at "compromising Christians" who accept science:

http://creation.com/perils-theistic-evolution

Typical comment from one of their uncompromising Facebook fans. I take it Marc would disagree ?

I'd rather you be an atheist than a compromising Christian clown


Any evangelical Christian (don't mention liberals) who has either rejected YEC-ism, or has embraced TE or a form of OEC-ism, is for the likes of Bell, Sarfati and Ham some kind of heretic and a threat to the future of Christendom (even though they admit that they may well be truly converted ie they cannot claim that they are 'deceived' simply because they are 'wolves' or 'false' or 'temporary' Christians).
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:57 pm

The Christian Post has flagged the recent Ham blog post about Sea World but is also allowing comments underneath (which can be voted on): http://www.christianpost.com/news/sea-w ... ist-86083/
Someone has commented as follows: "Ham is one of the main reasons fully 1/3 of Americans (and growing) 18-30 are religiously unaffiliated. Pushing widely discredited and verifiably false ideas like creationism on people who can look up actual working science on the internet is a recipe for declining church membership. People don't like being lied to".
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby cathy » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:17 pm

"Ham is one of the main reasons fully 1/3 of Americans (and growing) 18-30 are religiously unaffiliated. Pushing widely discredited and verifiably false ideas like creationism on people who can look up actual working science on the internet is a recipe for declining church membership. People don't like being lied to".

And not just Americans! Creationism is a growing reason for lots of people here to abandon religion! It won't dent science because it isn't science but it is destroying religion bit by bit. Very sad indeed.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:49 am

Ken Ham's younger brother has been touring Wales: http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... n=facebook
Whether he preached that feathered dinosaurs are a denial of the Word of God (or about how the Wallace Line came to be) is not known.
But this link appears to show where and when he preached in Neath: http://www.answersingenesis.org/outreac ... Neath2012/
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:18 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/11/28/pat-robertson-young-earth-creationism-isnt-true-trust-science/
Ken Ham will probably seize upon this and say "aha - Robertson has gone off the rails and got into bed with those truth-suppressing atheists".
Again - not yet read.



Ken Ham hasn't yet said that Robertson got into bed with the atheists - but will he be able to resist after, in all probability, hearing about Bill Nye's comments (especially as they are carried in that appalling atheistic and anti-creationist organ the Huffington Post)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/0 ... 45635.html
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Peter Henderson » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:56 pm

Not sure who Paul Richardson is , but Ham's having a go at him and the Church of England today:

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... Ken+Ham%29
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Roger Stanyard » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:46 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:Not sure who Paul Richardson is , but Ham's having a go at him and the Church of England today:

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... Ken+Ham%29


Well obviously Paul Richardson is not ideologically pure enough for Ken Ham. Just like everyone else.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Roger Stanyard » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:49 pm

cathy wrote:
"Ham is one of the main reasons fully 1/3 of Americans (and growing) 18-30 are religiously unaffiliated. Pushing widely discredited and verifiably false ideas like creationism on people who can look up actual working science on the internet is a recipe for declining church membership. People don't like being lied to".

And not just Americans! Creationism is a growing reason for lots of people here to abandon religion! It won't dent science because it isn't science but it is destroying religion bit by bit. Very sad indeed.


So Ken Ham has got another member of his family on the AiG payroll?
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:46 pm

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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Roger Stanyard » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:52 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:http://www.answersingenesis.org/events/bio.aspx?Speaker_ID=73


Strewth, AiG looks to be a family fiefdom.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:38 am

CMI talking drivel about the planet mercury:

http://creation.com/mercury-the-tiny-pl ... -evolution

Spot the mistake:

Mercury—of the nine known planets of our solar system, it is the closest to the sun. It is also one of the smallest, only Pluto (the furthermost) being smaller. Even Ganymede (a moon of Jupiter) and Titan (a moon of Saturn) are bigger. Yet, tiny Mercury has much to say about the origins of our solar system


and no explanation for the heavily cratered surface which indicates great age.

Still, the author is an electrical engineer who knows a bit about physics, so what do you expect !
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:54 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:CMI talking drivel about the planet mercury:

http://creation.com/mercury-the-tiny-pl ... -evolution

Spot the mistake:

Mercury—of the nine known planets of our solar system, it is the closest to the sun. It is also one of the smallest, only Pluto (the furthermost) being smaller. Even Ganymede (a moon of Jupiter) and Titan (a moon of Saturn) are bigger. Yet, tiny Mercury has much to say about the origins of our solar system


and no explanation for the heavily cratered surface which indicates great age.

Still, the author is an electrical engineer who knows a bit about physics, so what do you expect !



Pluto was demoted in 2006 or thereabouts but this article - which I assume CMI are hawking again to their fans on Facebook without updating its details (the sort of thing proper scientists tend to do because knowledge and conclusions sometimes need updating) - was written in 2004.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:46 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:
Peter Henderson wrote:CMI talking drivel about the planet mercury:

http://creation.com/mercury-the-tiny-pl ... -evolution

Spot the mistake:

Mercury—of the nine known planets of our solar system, it is the closest to the sun. It is also one of the smallest, only Pluto (the furthermost) being smaller. Even Ganymede (a moon of Jupiter) and Titan (a moon of Saturn) are bigger. Yet, tiny Mercury has much to say about the origins of our solar system


and no explanation for the heavily cratered surface which indicates great age.

Still, the author is an electrical engineer who knows a bit about physics, so what do you expect !



Pluto was demoted in 2006 or thereabouts but this article - which I assume CMI are hawking again to their fans on Facebook without updating its details (the sort of thing proper scientists tend to do because knowledge and conclusions sometimes need updating) - was written in 2004.


Indeed Ashley, and 4 years before the messenger proble started transmitting data:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messe ... index.html

I also found this:

http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2011/07/2 ... n-mercury/
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Michael » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:21 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:
Peter Henderson wrote:CMI talking drivel about the planet mercury:

http://creation.com/mercury-the-tiny-pl ... -evolution

Spot the mistake:

Mercury—of the nine known planets of our solar system, it is the closest to the sun. It is also one of the smallest, only Pluto (the furthermost) being smaller. Even Ganymede (a moon of Jupiter) and Titan (a moon of Saturn) are bigger. Yet, tiny Mercury has much to say about the origins of our solar system


and no explanation for the heavily cratered surface which indicates great age.

Still, the author is an electrical engineer who knows a bit about physics, so what do you expect !



Pluto was demoted in 2006 or thereabouts but this article - which I assume CMI are hawking again to their fans on Facebook without updating its details (the sort of thing proper scientists tend to do because knowledge and conclusions sometimes need updating) - was written in 2004.


Yup the chair of the demotion comittee told me a week before Pluto got de-planetised!!
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