Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

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Re: And AiG are indignant once again

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat May 25, 2019 11:56 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:https://answersingenesis.org/ministry-news/ark-encounter/faked-news/
Most of the reports I've seen refer - correctly - to rain damage. Something Looy ignores.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/201 ... od-damage/
AiG didn't build on sand - it was shale.



There is further discussion and clarification here:
https://pandasthumb.org/archives/2019/0 ... f_god.html
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Ken Ham sounds off on Facebook today

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu May 30, 2019 6:27 pm

''Alexa and the media across the world were happy to believe in a flood at the Ark Encounter attraction for which there is no evidence, and which didn't happen—but they won't believe in a flood for which there's overwhelming evidence (massive fossil-bearing layers) all over the world.
We certainly live in the era of fake news. Whether it's the Washington Post or any of many mass media outlets in the world, which fact-checking consists of quoting other fake news sources and adding fake news upon fake news. Some media (like AP) at least eventually somewhat corrected their false flood report, but in general, the media couldn't help itself but spread fake news. Most media outlets used this item to mock those who believe in the real flood that actually occurred, but made a mockery of themselves showing they are so eager to believe anything, even fake news, just to mock Christians. Most of the media is a joke and not interested in the truth.''

That's funny. When people try to fact check the claims of Mr Ham he refuses to co-operate.

Because he has no real interest in truth - and every interest in indoctrination by creationists.

And I see that the strident threesome (the main 'Answers News' presenters) are sounding off against scientists again today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTnIuLwt1bs
''Naturalists misinterpret Flood debris rafts.'' The bigots are apparently upset about this - because it doesn't fit with their 'biblical' history it would seem:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... rld-trips/ (there's a paywall here - but AiG aren't short of funds)
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Rabble rouser Ken Ham

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:39 pm

https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/ho ... l-mystery/
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... sh/590689/
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/ ... .2019.0891

I suspect these fish all died rapidly and en masse before becoming buried (even if the aligned pattern might have been caused after they were dead). How would a 'global' - or violent local - flood do that?

Ken Ham answers 'the flood' to any unsolved science question. But if it was the 'global' flood, the pattern of this particular fossil is decidedly unusual.
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Rabble rouser Ken Ham misusing Genesis

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:23 pm

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula ... bible-ken/
Just seen. Odds on Ken Ham and Answers in Genesis will NOT deal with this (even though Myers, unlike me, is well-known).
(I see two of them were also proclaiming their answer here, from just past 15 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_j0uTbFmTI
But 'rapid burial' does not fully explain what happened on this occasion - many millions of years ago.
However, if you are a YEC the only thing the only catastrophe that can explain fossilisation in the past is a 'global flood' it would seem. And guess what there's one of those in the Bible.)
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Ken Ham (who dislikes libraries) sounding off on Facebook

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:58 am

https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/
''What nonsense: "the ocean of Enceladus is about a billion years old” ... “That's good news for life: it should have had enough time to arise."
You can have trillions of years, zillions of years, and life will never arise by natural processes. The study of DNA makes it absolutely clear: life is built on information and code systems--and such can only come into existence by an intelligence--an infinite intelligence, the Creator God.
And this moon is only about 6,000 years old anyway, created on day 4 of the Creation Week.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/saturns ... dus-life''

These are religious beliefs. They NOT scientific facts.

What nonsense indeed.
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One of Ken Ham's favourite narrative-sustaining falsehoods

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:52 pm

https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/
''When you think shells, fish, and other sea creatures, you probably don’t think of Ohio. After all, it doesn’t exactly feature seaside living! And yet there are fossils of sea creatures found throughout that state, as well as in many other landlocked areas away from the seas.
We find billions of fossils of sea creatures literally everywhere—from the tops of mountains to completely landlocked prairies. This phenomenon means that at one point the entire globe had to be covered with water...
https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken- ... in-ohio/''

Marine fossils on some mountain tops have been explained - without any single, global, mountain/hill covering flood event.

I also do not think that Ham's sweeping claim ''We find billions of fossils of sea creatures literally everywhere — from the tops of mountains to completely landlocked prairies'' is truthful and accurate and based upon known and undisputed findings (if by 'literally everywhere' he means just that, rather than 'in all sorts of geological locations' or some such; also not all kinds of rocks can even host fossils, whether of 'sea creatures' or otherwise).

I am thinking in particular of cratons. And you don't see many articles specifically discussing cratons on the AiG website.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craton
''A craton is an old and stable part of the continental lithosphere, which consists of the Earth's two topmost layers, the crust and the uppermost mantle. Having often survived cycles of merging and rifting of continents, cratons are generally found in the interiors of tectonic plates. They are characteristically composed of ancient crystalline basement rock, which may be covered by younger sedimentary rock.''
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/ro ... -delivery/
''Cratons consist of the foundational basement rocks of the continents, before they broke apart during the Flood and were covered by fossil-bearing sedimentary layers.''
A slight difference of viewpoint there. Are all craton areas covered by sedimentary rock layers?

https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.co ... sis-flood/
Sensuous Curmudgeon has posted on this very recent claim by Ham. Underneath I have posted the following comment/question: ''''We find billions of fossils of sea creatures literally everywhere — from the tops of mountains to completely landlocked prairies.'' Can any geologist or student of geology tells us whether that is truthful and accurate?''
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As mentioned previously

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:17 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/how-are-fossils-formed/ken-ham-solves-paleontological-mystery/
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... sh/590689/
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/ ... .2019.0891

I suspect these fish all died rapidly and en masse before becoming buried (even if the aligned pattern might have been caused after they were dead). How would a 'global' - or violent local - flood do that?

Ken Ham answers 'the flood' to any unsolved science question. But if it was the 'global' flood, the pattern of this particular fossil is decidedly unusual.



https://creation.com/fish-school-fossilized
I'd like to refer Mr Robinson to my previous comments.
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Revolting climate change rabble rouser, fantasist and liar

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:39 pm

https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/
''If they think this is going to stop climate change (whatever they understand that to mean), it won't! There's been considerable climate change since the Flood (and because of the Flood) but regardless, the basic seasons etc., will continue and whatever man does it's not going to destroy the earth—as God is the one who determines when this earth will be destroyed by fire (2 Peter 3).
Besides, God promised after the Flood that "While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease" (Genesis 8:22). And God gave man dominion over the earth, so we can use the earth’s resources (responsibly, of course) for man's good and God's glory.
There's been massive climate change in the past to produce the Sahara desert, and change once fertile lands of Egypt--and none of that was due to using coal or oil. So climate change has to be a much more complex issue involving many factors.
By the way, the biggest greenhouse gas is not carbon dioxide—it pales in comparison to water vapor! And there's great evidence the sun's activity has a lot to do with climate change. Much of the climate change alarmist movement is political in nature, ignoring the actual verified observational scientific research. A great website to check out is CornwallAlliance.org
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/daniel- ... ezopJjrs''

Ham's making up of his own 'facts', denial of scientific reality, alt-right 'liberal' hating politics and general bigotry are despicable. I speak as a Christian believer (but I already thought it in my agnostic phase),

Ham has (again) weaponised Genesis 8:22 for his own bigoted and unscientific fundamentalist agenda that has nothing to do with the Christian gospel. The verse does NOT tell us that current global warming is 'natural' and not man-caused, nor that it is 'NOT' a serious issue that requires urgent action, NOR that the verse supports or is consistent with the notion of a 'post-flood ice age'. Three lies constantly pushed by this right wing Christian bigot. This despicable rabble rouser is telling his far right and ignorant and credulous supporters that if current climate change will not cancel basic seasons (of course it won't given Earth's orbit around the Sun) and won't destroy the Earth it is nothing to worry about (not only in rich America but in impoverished tropical areas of the world as well, assuming he cares a jot about such places). And of course there was also (unbiblical) natural climate change before humans altered the composition of the ATMOSPHERE. And this evil person also repeats his favourite misdirection (that scientists are fully aware of when determining that accelerating climate change/global warming is, unintentionally, man-made) that water vapour is a bigger greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. And for good measures two more LIES: that there's 'great evidence' the sun's activity has a lot to do with climate change, and that climate change 'alarmism' somehow 'ignores' the 'actual verified observational scientific research'. Concerning what is taking place right NOW, both claims are totally FALSE. Ken Ham is a liar.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190722-fr ... 46-degrees
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/p ... -this-week
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