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Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Peter Henderson » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:36 pm

Looks like the NCSE and ACLU are going to have their work cut out for them.

Scary prospect:

Donald Trump meets with creationist Jerry Falwell Jr about possibly becoming next Secretary of Education. Jerry Falwell has been one of Mr Trump's strongest supporters



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... ebook-post
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Roger Stanyard » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:35 pm

Yer, it is scary, Peter.

I view Liberty University as a sink of bigotry, ignorance and extreme political partisanship. I dunno much about the current Falwell but his father was devoid of intellect. Not even a remotely a fit and proper person to control and run what is alleged to be a university (more like a family controlled bible studies organisation, in my opinion).
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Peter Henderson » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:20 pm

Roger Stanyard wrote:Yer, it is scary, Peter.

I view Liberty University as a sink of bigotry, ignorance and extreme political partisanship. I dunno much about the current Falwell but his father was devoid of intellect. Not even a remotely a fit and proper person to control and run what is alleged to be a university (more like a family controlled bible studies organisation, in my opinion).



Falwell Snr. managed to move the evangelical Protestant position on abortion from being moderately pro choice to one of extreme pro life, similar to that of the Catholic position. The problems with abortion in Northern Ireland are largely of his making, one could conclude.

Their creationism is well documented Roger, another source of Northern Ireland's problems.
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Re Jerry Falwell Jnr

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:13 pm

It might not come to pass - but in fact I mentioned that Falwell possibility in passing here, yesterday:
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Peter Henderson » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:00 pm

It's Betsy Devos apparently. She's an intelligent design creationist.

Not sure if that's better or worse than Falwall:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p ... /94344918/
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New US Secretary of Education

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:46 pm

So will ID now be taught in US school science classes? Or is that unlikely?
Just seen:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... eparation/

Meanwhile, you might need to stifle a yawn:
https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen/ (post made 8 hours ago)
"So, Trump is considering Falwell Junior for Secretary of Education. While I have several reasons for thinking Junior would not be a good choice, atheopaths and other leftists are continuing their rampage of bigotry, especially against Christians, creationists, and Trump himself. Guess what, snowflake: Trump can consider and talk with anyone he wants, that's not so difficult to understand.
But *gasp* *horrors* Falwell is supposedly a *shudder* CREATIONIST, and that's suddenly a threat to separation of church and state (again, show me where that exists in the US Constitution, although it did exist in the USSR constitution). I believe international globalists are finding further excuses to hate Trump even before he begins his presidential duties. Some people who are not Americans do have a good grasp of the American political system (sometimes better than many Americans), critics in other countries strike me as simply secularist zealots with a globalist agenda.
This screenshot shows one in action (who has shown bigotry in other instances as well). [EDIT: See the hateful response in the comments here. Yes, I'm emphasizing the word "bigot" to emphasize what these people really are.] -CBB"

I'm not going to waste my time on it. I waste too much time on Sorensen's ravings already. He is an expert on bigotry :)


PS at 10.22 pm. Sorensen has added a further comment:
"That bigotry for nothing so they'll find something else to whine about with the one Trump did select. ~CL
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-picks ... 1479927146"
(Why is the fraud Sorensen signing off as 'CL' - which stands for Curtis Long?!)

PPS at 11.22 pm. Long has now chimed in:
""Why is the fraud Sorensen signing off as 'CL' - which stands for Curtis Long?!" Because I'm an admin on here, even Hitler Robbers should be able to understand that. ~CL".
How was I supposed to know that? Anyway, it's no wonder Long lies and rails against me - on behalf of the cowardly Sorensen. Such as here:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
"I see Hitler Robbers is back in action. By the way, going to London next week, I'll see some old friends at Scotland Yard, and make other business and social calls." (22 November.)
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Peter Henderson » Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:31 pm

Interesting that Sorensen quotes C.S.Lewis at the top of his Facebook page.

While Lewis may have been uncomfortable with Atheistic evolution, he was no young Earth creationist and accepted both "millions of years" and evolution, despite attempts to persuade him otherwise.

Sorensen must be aware of this, surely ?
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Mountkeen » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:58 pm

Some background on DeVos by PZ Myers. very worrying if you're American.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/11/24/goodbye-american-education/
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Peter Henderson » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:52 pm

Good analysis from ED Brayton:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches ... m=facebook

Betsy DeVos scares the hell out of me in any position of power, as would anyone from either of those families. Putting her in charge of the Department of Education is like making Al Capone the chief of police.
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Re:

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:53 pm

Back from hospital. And back online after being offline (at home) for around five days.

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/search? ... -results=7
http://crev.info/2016/11/lyell-loses-in-a-landslide/
Oh now I see. Because a landslide is destructive and might hide evidence pointing to events of the unseen past, landslides destroy (ie cancel the existence of) all the evidence of millions of years of time and geological uniformitarianism (punctuated by occasional local/regional catastrophes). Of COURSE. (So all those blown up tower blocks you sometimes see on the news being demolished must have been built in just a few weeks then ...)

I suggest that these people have NO interest in understanding the past. Lest the knowledge of it might threaten their particular Bible-strapped fundamentalist Christian faith.

PS And the same YEC blogger is flagging this simplistic one minute of attempted indoctrination on his facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14C4X7B ... e=youtu.be (comments disabled, well I never)
If you prefer science and actual facts regarding Neanderthals, try this:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/ ... ly-thought (I typed those words "Recent genetic research shows that modern humans and Neandertals interbred, suggesting that Neandertals and people living today should be classified as the same species" and this factual article came up - even though it does NOT say what CMI are saying in their YouTube propaganda. The video also misuses quoted words of biologist Svante Paabo, who was one of those involved in the study published in 2016 along with Sergi Castellano.)
This is the paper flagged in the ScienceMag article:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v5 ... 16544.html
Abstract:
"It has been shown that Neanderthals contributed genetically to modern humans outside Africa 47,000–65,000 years ago. Here we analyse the genomes of a Neanderthal and a Denisovan from the Altai Mountains in Siberia together with the sequences of chromosome 21 of two Neanderthals from Spain and Croatia. We find that a population that diverged early from other modern humans in Africa contributed genetically to the ancestors of Neanderthals from the Altai Mountains roughly 100,000 years ago. By contrast, we do not detect such a genetic contribution in the Denisovan or the two European Neanderthals. We conclude that in addition to later interbreeding events, the ancestors of Neanderthals from the Altai Mountains and early modern humans met and interbred, possibly in the Near East, many thousands of years earlier than previously thought."

This IS consistent with what Paabo apparently stated:
"Many would say that a species is a group of organisms that can produce fertile offspring with each other and cannot do so with members of other groups. From that perspective we had shown that Neandertals and modern humans were the same species."
It is NOT consistent with the video statement: "Neanderthals were humans, not ape-men." (The findings do NOT show that our species and neanderthals - and denisovans - are 'not' descended from creatures more similar than we are to great apes.)

Like I said above, YECs have NO interest at all in understanding. Their task in life is to produce propaganda that attacks and undermines unbiased scientists and their evidence-based conclusions. Their faith depends upon scientists being 'wrong' apparently.

And CMI are here (as also flagged by Sorensen recently) TWISTING the Bible ie LYING (of necessity) and calling 'Noah's Flood a 'massive extinction event'. What garbage. Which undermines what the Bible says God would do - see Genesis 6:19-20. (The Bible suggests that every land-based creature/species/kind would SURVIVE the judgment because of the ark yet the CMI liars are suggesting otherwise - since the context is the real FOREVER species-level extinction that science, not scripture, has uncovered via the fossil record.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQZGzPA ... e=youtu.be

Sorensen will either name-call me over this post, or quote-mine me, or simply ignore the post. He will NOT engage with the actual content of the post. Rest assured of that.

Reality is SO troubling if you are a hardline 'biblical' young earth creationist.

[This post is now final.]
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Peter Henderson » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:36 pm

Back from hospital. And back online after being offline (at home) for around five days.


Hope you're feeling better Ashley.

Was in the RVH yet again for around 5 days 5 weeks ago. Pretty rough this time. I think this was my 9th time in total this year.

Was up visiting my mum in 6B on Sunday and the staff knew me. Oh dear.

Anyway, here's an interesting article that Lauri Lebo (of the Devil in Dover fame) shared on Facebook today.

Things aren't looking good in the US:

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/colu ... /94728574/
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:10 am

Peter Henderson wrote:
Back from hospital. And back online after being offline (at home) for around five days.


Hope you're feeling better Ashley.

Was in the RVH yet again for around 5 days 5 weeks ago. Pretty rough this time. I think this was my 9th time in total this year.

Was up visiting my mum in 6B on Sunday and the staff knew me. Oh dear.

Anyway, here's an interesting article that Lauri Lebo (of the Devil in Dover fame) shared on Facebook today.

Things aren't looking good in the US:

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/colu ... /94728574/



Feeling OK, thanks - hope you are as good as possible (having an intravenous antibiotic daily but fortunately they can do this using local district nurses). Lost touch with the news for two or three days - not that I missed any good news as far as I could see, when I caught up.
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Peter Henderson » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:08 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:
Peter Henderson wrote:
Back from hospital. And back online after being offline (at home) for around five days.


Hope you're feeling better Ashley.

Was in the RVH yet again for around 5 days 5 weeks ago. Pretty rough this time. I think this was my 9th time in total this year.

Was up visiting my mum in 6B on Sunday and the staff knew me. Oh dear.

Anyway, here's an interesting article that Lauri Lebo (of the Devil in Dover fame) shared on Facebook today.

Things aren't looking good in the US:

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/colu ... /94728574/



Feeling OK, thanks - hope you are as good as possible (having an intravenous antibiotic daily but fortunately they can do this using local district nurses). Lost touch with the news for two or three days - not that I missed any good news as far as I could see, when I caught up.
Ashley


That's good Ashley.

I've had no bleeding for 5 weeks now, but I'm going to have to go down to A & E yet again for a different problem. I'm actually feeling fine.

Things don't look good in the US for education.
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:56 pm

This is incredible (even in 2016 which is weird enough already):
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/a ... rth-theory
Of course the conspiracy theorists and fact deniers backing Trump only want to advance fictitious ideas - not the real ones such as Putin and co trying (and succeeding?) to skew the election in their favour ...
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Re: Jerry Falwal Jr. new US Secretary of Education ?

Postby Peter Henderson » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:31 am

Finally out of hospital Ashley, yet again. Surgery last Friday so still a bit tired.

Anyway, here's an interesting article from the New York times on Jimmy Dowson's role in Trump's election victory:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/world ... p=cur&_r=0
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