Big Ken Scam foams at the mouth (again)

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Big Ken Scam foams at the mouth (again)

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:05 am

Ken Spam can't even abide Christians debating or discussing evolution.

From Right WIng Watch:

Ken Ham, the founder and president of the Young Earth Creationist group Answers In Genesis, slammed churches that are participating in a series of discussions about faith and evolution this weekend, claiming that it is in fact the belief in evolution that is turning America into a theocracy.

Ham joined VCY America’s Jim Schneider on his “Crosstalk” program on Wednesday to discuss today’s International Darwin Day and the corresponding Evolution Weekend, in which houses of worship participate in discussions about the relationship between faith and science.

Ham reserved most of his criticism for the churches participating in Evolution Weekend and groups such as BioLogos, a Christian organization that “invites the church and the world to see the harmony between science and biblical faith.”

He claimed that people who promote the teaching of evolution in churches, schools and universities are turning the government into a pro-evolution theocracy.

“There is no such thing as separation of church and state,” he said. “The First Amendment doesn’t even have that first terminology in it, you know. The Establishment Clause is about the state not establishing a church, but the state has established a church, it’s the Church of Evolution with Darwin as the high priest, if you like, and a lot of these teachers and professors as priests in this religion of evolution that they’re imposing through the schools.”

This widespread teaching of the theory of evolution, Ham said, has caused God to raise up Creationist groups like his.

Ham, whose group is behind the Creation Museum and an upcoming Noah’s ark theme park in Kentucky, explained that evolution has nothing to do with science since it is a religious belief … unlike Creationism, which is based on science.

“What we’ve got to understand is molecules-to-man evolution, that’s not observational science, that’s a belief, that’s a story that people made up to try to explain how life arose,” he said, without a hint of irony. “Christians have an account of origins in the Bible that God has given us.”

He said that the study of genetics, geology and biology “confirms the Bible’s account of creation and the flood and the Tower of Babel, it does not confirm molecules-to-man evolution. Molecules-to-man evolution is a fairy tale.”

Ham said that evolution shouldn’t even be addressed as a theory since “there’s no evidence for evolution, so it’s not even a theory, it’s actually a belief, it’s someone’s belief, it’s a blind faith belief and there is no evidence for evolution.”

He reasoned that evolution can’t be possible because he can’t see it occurring before his eyes.

“You don’t observe evolution,” he said. “When you look in the glass cases in museums, you don’t see evolution, you see fossils, you see creatures that live on the earth. Evolution is pasted on the glass case, not in the glass case. It’s man’s interpretation, man’s belief, man’s religion.”


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Re: Big Ken Scam foams at the mouth (again)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:06 pm

When he targets theistic evolutionists (or creationists/churches who dare examine or discuss the scientific evidence) Ham is apparently ranting about a pro-evolution 'theocracy' (which more or less means a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god).

But when he rants about atheists - who pretty much agree with theistic evolutionists when it comes to biological sciences eg natural selection, mutation, genetics and inheritance - he goes on about people 'imposing' an 'anti-God religion' or 'religion of atheism' or 'religion of naturalism':
https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/post ... 9916958702
https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken- ... ene-fever/

Sounds like scare tactics. But what exactly is he bothered about? Perhaps we can get some things straight. If atheists/non-Christians talk with Christians who are not creationists - let alone if they might ever agree about anything in the realm of science (which is already happening) - then this means that an anti-God theocracy is about to impose its religion upon America? A theocracy instigated by ATHEISTS.

Perhaps he should move back to Australia? Except that the anti-God theocracy is probably already running the country there (as indeed it probably is in the UK too).
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Re: Big Ken Scam foams at the mouth (again)

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:05 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:When he targets theistic evolutionists (or creationists/churches who dare examine or discuss the scientific evidence) Ham is apparently ranting about a pro-evolution 'theocracy' (which more or less means a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god).



What staggers me about the hypocricy is that he is addressing a US audience and he isn't a US citizen.

He basically went no where in Australia where he fell out with his partner, John "Necrophilia" Mackay, and then fell out with AiG Australia. blowing up AiG UK in the process and now runs a US operation stuffed full of his family members and getting state subsidies for his Ark Encounter crapola.

The Aussies saw through the snake oil salesman. Americans are too dumb to recognise he's an autocratic charlatan.

For the record, I found out fairly recently why most of the Australian YEC "leaders" are Banana Benders. It's a relic from WW2 when many US troops were based in Queensland; some . it appears. convinced some locals to take up their hard line ultra-calvinism.
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Re: Big Ken Scam foams at the mouth (again)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:14 pm

http://67.36.84.226/crosstalk2/ct160210.mp3
This goes on and on and on. I was doing other things whilst listening to it, but I did not hear Ham actually use the word 'theocracy' (which the Right Wing Watch article at least implies was used). Though Right Wing Watch are quoting Ham as using the specific sentence "the state has established a church, it’s the Church of Evolution with Darwin as the high priest, if you like, and a lot of these teachers and professors as priests in this religion of evolution that they’re imposing through the schools". Which he DID say - just past 25 minutes in.

So Ham probably has only feeble grounds for any allegation of 'misrepresentation' since a so-called 'Church of Evolution' established by the state sounds a bit like the state imposing a system of government involving (non-Christian or non-biblical) 'priests'.
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Re: Big Ken Scam foams at the mouth (again)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:00 pm

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-c ... igh-priest
The quoted words of 'biologist' Ken Ham:
"Here’s the point that I make to people: As you take the account in Genesis, the more you use observational science in the present as you study genetics, as you study biology, you see it confirms the Bible’s account of creation. And the Flood and the Tower of Babel do not confirm molecules-to-man evolution."

Actually Ham does believe in a fictional form of extremely rapid (post Genesis flood) evolution within 'kinds':
http://thenaturalhistorian.com/2016/02/ ... otherwise/

He has no advanced science qualifications and is really pushing pseudo-science with a fundamentalist Bible affirming Christian agenda.


ADDENDUM AT 4.50 PM
Just seen THIS:
https://answersingenesis.org/natural-se ... selection/ (massive 'recent' evolution labelled as 'natural selection' or 'variation')
"On July 7, 2016, the Ark Encounter will welcome its first guests. What many do not realize is how much work and research goes on behind the scenes to produce the exhibits. One of the frequent questions we are asked is, “How do we get all the animals today from the animal kinds that were on the Ark?” One of the ways is natural selection. Charles Darwin believed that natural selection was the main mechanism behind molecules-to-man evolution. However, as is clear from observational science, natural selection (along with other mechanisms) only leads to variation within a kind and not the evolution of one kind of animal into a completely different kind of animal. Because I highly regard their integrity, commitment to biblical authority, and scientific practice, I asked Dr. Georgia Purdom (PhD, Molecular Genetics, Ohio State University) and Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson (PhD, Cell and Developmental Biology, Harvard University) to write an article discussing the reality and role of natural selection. I endorse their conclusions and hope this will help answer, in part, the question of how the many species of animals we have today descended from those kinds that were on the Ark." (Ham's Foreword.)
The idea that pairs of land-based creatures on one large wooden boat could vary into ALL the land-based species found today, plus ALL those vast numbers that are now long extinct, is utter codswallop. But this is what they will be pushing upon the credulous and the non-credulous at their 'Ark Encounter'.
(Incidentally David Tee - see other thread - is one of those silly YECs who rejects natural selection. Presumably because he thinks agreeing with anything proposed by Charles Darwin is 'evil'.)

FURTHER ADDENDUM AT 5.20 PM
I only skimmed the main part of the article. Purdom claims on her facebook page that it was 'peer reviewed'. It was reviewed by Ken Ham - and approved :)
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