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Re: Ken Scam's got a dino

Postby Roger Stanyard » Tue May 27, 2014 2:46 pm

Roger Stanyard wrote:Big Ken Scam has got himself a dino! He and his pals are claining it shows evolution to be wrong (needless to say) but the really intresting bit is where he got it from.

It was donated by one Michael Peroutka, not well known this side of the pond despite being a Presidential candidate in 2004. He's a white supremecist and like all US white supermecists is mixed up in religious fundamentalism.

Peroutka is serious politically extreme with close involvement in the "confederate!" and racist hate group, the League of the South (it want the deep south to secede from the union) as well as the theocratic Constitution Party. He's also a founder of the theocratic Institute on the Constitution and sits on its board.

This is what Peroutka has said about evolution: "What I'm saying is that the promotion of evolution is an act of disloyalty to America... What I'm saying is there's no way you can promote or believe in evolution and sing `God Bless America' during the 7th inning stretch!" and " "evolutionary thinking is dangerous and anti-American".

In other words anyone who accepts evolution is committing an act of treason, something he should know all about as secession is an act of treason. The USA had a civil war about it.

Irony does not appear to be one of Peroutka's strong points. He doesn't like immigration which is rather odd given that Ken Ham and his family and pals that run Answers in Genesis are Banana Benders.

Still, it's strange to see Big Ken Scam mixed up with racist white supremecists.
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Re: Ken Scam's got a dino

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue May 27, 2014 6:44 pm

Some discussion here of science, pseudo-science, sincerity or the lack of it, and Mr Ham:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-802593
(Sensuous Curmudgeon and Panda's Thumb blogged about the Creation Museum dino sensationalism of 23 May.)
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Re: Ken Scam's got a dino

Postby Roger Stanyard » Wed May 28, 2014 8:28 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:Some discussion here of science, pseudo-science, sincerity or the lack of it, and Mr Ham:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-802593
(Sensuous Curmudgeon and Panda's Thumb blogged about the Creation Museum dino sensationalism of 23 May.)


They've missed the point. Creationism is a political issue and Big Ken Scam has revealed just where he is on the political spectrum - mixed up with mediaeval authoritarian extremists. In this case it involves a person who also wishes to abolish publicly funded education, btw altogether. The fundamentalists have tried for years to get creationism into state education. They can't and, not surprisingly, many thus want to abolish it altogether.
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Re: Ken Scam's got a dino

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 28, 2014 6:10 pm

https://answersingenesis.org/ministry-n ... ant-msnbc/
http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... ched-rant/
Ken Ham's God is an anti-science ogre who demands that humans must not hold opinions about the past, however well supported by a consilience of unfakeable evidence, but must 'explain' the past using what little Genesis contains about how Earth the Universe Life and Us got where we are today.
I did listen to the 'rant' by the way.

But on facebook six hours ago Ken Ham changed his tune a little - see https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham:

"It's another rant by Bill Nye this week against 'that guy' (guess who?) and creationists in general. We obviously got under his skin. Listen to the first 3-4 minutes of audio at the link provided.
I am noticing that secularists are going ballistic about biblical creationists right now (check out my post last night about Rachel Maddow and her long emotional rant of misinformation against us last night on MSNBC: https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham/post ... 5290885496)--ranting against the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter. The secularists have been so upset that the Creation Museum received a world-class fossil--and that people are pouring into the Creation Museum--and that the Ark Encounter project is moving ahead (to open in 2016).
Obviously the Lord is blessing AiG and opening doors for the message of the truth of His Word and the gospel to be disseminated more than ever.
And secularists are upset that thousands of kids are coming to the Creation Museum to learn the truth about dinosaurs and the history and true meaning of life and the universe under our Kids 12 and under free program this year:
http://creationmuseum.org/tickets/kids- ... ee-in-2014
As I've said before--someone once told me, 'if you stand on the devil's toes, he will react--you guys must be kicking him in the shins.'
I love it! AiG is making a difference! We are in the battle--we are not standing on the sidelines! Let's push the battle front forward!
“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places” (Ephesians 6:12)
Many of you have joined us in this battle--Praise the Lord!
You can listen to Nye's latest rant against me and biblical creationists at this link (2-3 minutes is all you need to listen to):
http://mms.tveyes.com/Transcript.asp?St ... yClip=TRUE"
(I listened to Nye up to where a listener came on to ask a question ie around 3-4 minutes; it's clear from this how politics gets mixed up with religion in the US - and then the politicised religion gets mixed up with science 'education'.)

Whether or not the Lord is blessing Ken Ham, and he appears to have no doubt that anger from opponents proves the Lord's blessing, clearly Ken Ham is BLESSING THE LORD.

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Re: Ken Scam's got a dino

Postby jon_12091 » Thu May 29, 2014 11:08 am

According to his Wikipedia page Michael Peroutka is switching to the Republicans.
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Re: Ken Scam's got a dino

Postby Roger Stanyard » Thu May 29, 2014 11:41 am

jon_12091 wrote:According to his Wikipedia page Michael Peroutka is switching to the Republicans.


Yer, he's standing for election which precudes him using the League of the South ticket. Even in the deep south the League of the South is considered a fringe outfit.

But, wait a minute, Ken Scam's museum and Ark Encounter are located in Kentucky which the League of the South thinks is naturally part of its constituency. So, if the south secedes, Big Ken Scam will find his empire based in a new, foreign, country. Bit of a bummer, that, as he located them in Kentucky because it was a central place for Americans to get to. Secession means that most of them will need passports (and, no doubt, visas) to visit it and as most Americans don't own passports, Scam might lose a lot of his hayseed and hick customers.

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Divisive self-publicist Ken Ham is LYING on Facebook

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu May 29, 2014 5:09 pm

https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham
"Well--many secular blogs, websites and media have been commenting on the Creation Museum's new outstanding Allosaurus exhibit (see photo). They are obviously frustrated and bemoaning the fact we have such a world-class dinosaur fossil.
Here is one quote from an atheist site as an example:
"The allosaur is actually awe-inspiring and wondrous. Set there amidst the rest of the Creation Museum, it can only highlight the shoddy papier-mâché propaganda of the rest of the place."
Secularists think they own the dinosaurs--and they believe any specimen should be used to teach the lie of evolution instead of the truth of creation! That's why they've been groaning so much since we opened the world-class Creation Museum 7 years ago.
Make sure you come and visit the museum secularists are really worried about--find out more at: http://creationmuseum.org/"

And HERE is the site that the Rabble Rouser has chosen to label as 'atheist':
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivis ... nfederate/
(Patheos does include SOME blogs by atheists, one of MANY different categories of blogger there though none appear to be YEC fundamentalists, but Fred Clark identifies as 'progressive Christian': http://www.patheos.com/Blogs.html)

How about Ken Ham - who slams critics whenever they get their facts wrong - gets his facts RIGHT?
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Re: Ken Scam's got a dino

Postby Roger Stanyard » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:21 pm

Roger Stanyard wrote:
jon_12091 wrote:According to his Wikipedia page Michael Peroutka is switching to the Republicans.


Yer, he's standing for election which precudes him using the League of the South ticket. Even in the deep south the League of the South is considered a fringe outfit.



More about his extremism (from Righting Watch):

"Two weeks ago, the Creation Museum — the anti-evolution themepark run by the advocacy group Answers in Genesis — received a huge gift: a $1 million dinosaur skeleton meant to help the museum illustrate its belief that dinosaurs were part of the original creation 6,000 years ago and coexisted with humans until well after Noah’s flood.

The benefactor that gave the museum Ebenezer the Allosaurus was the Elizabeth Streb Peroutka Foundation, a family foundation run by Maryland-based right-wing activists and brothers Michael and Stephen Peroutka and Michael’s daughter Elizabeth. Observers immediately noted that this dinosaur came with some contemporary human baggage: Michael Peroutka is an extreme right-wing activist who is a frequent supporter and former board member of the neo-Confederate League of the South and who believes that the Union’s victory in the Civil War brought on all of America’s ills, including “homo-sodomite unmarriage.”

But the Peroutkas’ influence extends far beyond fringe anti-gay, neo-Confederate activism and providing a real-life dinosaur to illustrate made-up science. Through a set of debt-collection businesses, the Peroutkas finance a host of anti-choice groups and promote a troubling Christian-Nation ideology in Maryland and throughout the country. Michael Peroutka, a 2004 Constitution Party candidate for president, is also largely self-financing his campaign for local office in Anne Arundel County.

Michael Peroutka runs the Institute on the Constitution, an “educational” group through which he promotes his Christian Reconstructionist viewpoint that “the function of civil government is to obey God and to enforce God’s law” — that is, Peroutka’s idea of what constitutes God’s law. Peroutka, for instance, claims that there are no such thing as “civil rights” enforceable by the government, because “rights come from God.”

The Institute on the Constitution, according to the group’s website, is “sponsored” by and shares an address with Peroutka and Peroutka, the debt-collection firm Michael runs with his brother Stephen, who was also a co-founder of the Institute.

It’s through the law firm and its debt-buying arm, Pasadena Recievables, that the Peroutka brothers finance the Elizabeth Streb Peroutka Foundation, which is named after their mother.

From its founding in 2003 through 2012, the last year for which tax records are available, the family’s foundation has been almost entirely financed by grants from the Peroutkas' pair of debt-collection businesses, along with investment income and a few personal donations from Michael and Stephen. Together, the family and its businesses have put $5.2 million into the foundation over nine years.

Its biggest asset, until now, has been the Allosaurus.

Ebenezer the Allosaurus was originally dug up in 2002 by a team of homeschoolers led by a conservative Christian family from Florida that ran a business providing anti-evolution excavation adventures. Also leading that expedition was Doug Phillips, a leader of the anti-feminist Quiverfull movement, who is now facing charges of sexual battery and assault against a young follower.

From the moment the bones were found, their discoverers vowed to keep them out of the hands of scientists, who estimate that the Allosaurus lived roughly 150 million years ago. “I am sure the evolutionists would love to get their hands on these bones," Phillips said at the time. “Who can blame them. It is like a gold mine for paleontologists.”

Peroutka cited those fears at the Creation Museum unveiling last month, when he told of how he came to purchase Ebenezer. He was determined to keep the dinosaur out of the hands of “anyone with a ‘millions of years’ mindset,” he said, and to keep it under the guardianship of those who believe the skeleton is just 4,300 years old:

While snatching the dinosaur from the evolutionists has been the Peroutka family foundation’s priciest project, Michael explained in his remarks at the museum that the foundation was “primarily intended to offer financial aid to groups who were dedicated to ending the holocaust of abortion.”

Of $3.6 million in grants that the Peroutka Foundation has dispensed over nine years, about one-quarter — $920,000 — has gone to the National Pro-Life Action Center, an anti-choice lobbying group chaired by Stephen Peroutka. (The Center is one of a tangled web of right-wing organizations run out of the same office in Washington). Stephen Peroutka was also the founder of National Pro-Life Radio, a network run out of the same building as the brothers’ law office that aired shows from anti-choice activists including Janet Porter, Jay Sekulow, Frank Pavone, Jesse Lee Peterson, and both Peroutka brothers.

The foundation has heaped much of its largesse on Maryland-based abortion clinic protest groups and crisis pregnancy centers, including contributing a total of $236,000 to the Baltimore-based abortion clinic protest group Defend Life, perhaps most infamous for organizing a protest outside the middle school attended by the daughter of an abortion provider’s landlord.

And although anti-choice groups have received the bulk of the foundation’s grants, it has also taken on some other causes close to Michael Peroutka’s heart.

Most notably, the foundation has contributed tens of thousands of dollars to groups associated with Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, one of the nation’s loudest proponents of Christian Reconstructionist ideology, who shot to fame in 2003 when he was ousted from his original position on the state supreme court for refusing to remove a statue of the Ten Commandments from his courthouse.

In 2004, after the far-right Constitution Party failed to recruit Moore to run for president, Peroutka took his place as the party’s candidate. That same year, the Peroutka Foundation spent $120,000 bankrolling Moore’s nationwide speaking tour “regarding morality and the Ten Commandments” and gave $12,000 to the National Coalition to Restore the Constitution, a group that organized rallies backing Moore in an effort drum up support for a measure preventing federal courts from hearing many church-state separation cases .

In addition, the Peroutka Foundation has contributed a quarter of a million dollars to the Foundation for Moral Law, the group that Moore ran before returning to the Alabama Supreme Court, which is now run by Moore’s wife. Under Moore’s leadership, the Foundation for Moral Law, hosted a neo-Confederate “secession day” event, and the group employs John Eidsmoe, a Michelle Bachmann mentor who has white supremacist ties. One of Moore's activities at the group was representing protesters who had disrupted a Hindu opening prayer in the U.S. Senate. “It's a shame that not one U.S. Senator stood up to defend a tradition that goes back to the very first Continental Congress of acknowledging the one true God of the Holy Scriptures," he lamented.

In 2007 and 2008, the Peroutka Foundation contributed $60,000 to Moore’s now-defunct Coalition to Restore America. In the summer of 2007, Moore spoke at a conference in Maryland organized by Peroutka, where, according to Americans United for Separation of Church and State, “he and a string of far-right activists peddled ‘Christian nation’ rhetoric, bashed Islam, belittled American culture and the federal government and displayed an alarming affinity for the neo-Confederate states’ rights cause.” Also speaking at the conference were Eidsmoe and Gordon Klingenschmitt, the former Navy chaplain who now supplies the world with an endless supply of YouTube rants about gay “demonic spirits.” At the end of the day, everyone gathered under a Confederate flag to dedicate part of the Peroutkas’ land as “Judge Roy Moore Field.”

In 2011, the Institute on the Constitution presented Moore with an award for “choosing to obey God, and acknowledging Him both in word and in deed, regardless of the consequences” and resisting “a government which thought it was God.”

The next year, when Moore successfully ran to reclaim his seat on the state supreme court, Peroutka provided the bulk of his campaign chest.

The affinity between Moore and Peroutka extends to the issue of evolution. Moore contends that the theory of evolution is incompatible with the Constitution; Peroutka insists the “promotion of evolution is an act of disloyalty to America”:

While anti-choice groups and Moore have been the biggest recipients of the Peroutka Foundation’s generosity — at least until Ebenezer moved into the Creation Museum — the foundation has also offered smaller grants to a smattering of extremist ministries and Confederate history enthusiasts.

The Foundation has given $24,000 over six years to Pass the Salt, the ministry of unhinged anti-gay extremist “Coach” Dave Daubenmire (the one who complained last year that he was "sick and tired of being sodomized by the left"). In 2012, it gave a $6,000 grant to “You Can Run By You Cannot Hide,” the ministry of Bachmann acolyte Bradlee Dean, who travels to unsuspecting public schools to give disturbing anti-gay “seminars.”

Since 2006, the foundation has given an annual $1,000 grant to restoring a Confederate cemetery in Maryland, a project organized by the Sons of Confederate Veterans, a group that has cozied up to the racist extremists in its ranks. In 2004, it donated $2,250 to a Confederate reenactment troop for "education of the public as to the causes of the War between the States."

The Peroutkas are also frequent donors to state and local campaigns. According to Center for Responsive Politics data, Michael, Stephen and Stephen’s wife Deborah contributed $35,900 to their congressman, Rep. Andy Harris, between 2007 and 2011.

Not the least of the beneficiaries is Michael Peroutka himself, who has lent $30,000 to his own campaign for Anne Arundel County Council, about half of the $62,000 he has raised so far. His political ambitions may continue to run higher — it was rumored that he considered running for state attorney general this year before setting his sights on the county council.

Peroutka’s web of influence shows that he is more than, as one libertarian scholar put it, a solitary "wackypants anti-gay crusader.” Peroutka's activism and philanthropy illuminate the connections between the Creationist movement, the Christian-Nation philosophy of people like Judge Moore, anti-choice agitators, fringe anti-gay extremists like Daubenmire and Klingenschmitt, and the network of Confederate nostalgists that can never quite hide its racist roots. All are striving for a biblical and constitutional purism that exists only in the minds of those who adhere to it, and a return to an imagined past where dinosaurs stowed away on Noah’s ark, the Constitution mandated an exclusively Christian nation, and the Civil War didn't turn out quite right.

Research contributed by Ian Silverstone"
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