Peter Henderson wrote:I assume UKIP are climate change sceptics ?
With a majority of MEPs in England now UKIP, could this affect any EU environmental legislation e.g. CO2 emissions ?
Hell's teeth, Roger! I can imagine nationalist economists saying "after China" but banning from schools? Have you a link, please? Maybe we had better have a look at their attitude to evolution?Roger Stanyard wrote:Well "Lord" Christopher Monckton of UKIP is a leading global warming denier and the party has said it wants to ban teaching of climate change in schools.
Brian Jordan wrote:Hell's teeth, Roger! I can imagine nationalist economists saying "after China" but banning from schools? Have you a link, please? Maybe we had better have a look at their attitude to evolution?Roger Stanyard wrote:Well "Lord" Christopher Monckton of UKIP is a leading global warming denier and the party has said it wants to ban teaching of climate change in schools.
cathy wrote:Hm UKIP have gained a groundswell of support but I suspect 80% of their voters haven't a clue what their actual policies are. They work in pandering to fears and cheap, simple sound bites. Like all good sound bites they mask real issues. Farage, like Boris, comes across a an affable, cheeky chappie which successfully hides the nastiness of UKIP. Miliband is totally useless and ineffectual, and comes across like Wallace without Grommet. Evil lib dem liar Clegg committed political suicide by being so openly dishonest and failing to even dent the worse excesses of the Tories in things that matter like health, education, welfare ( food banks anyone). So I'm afraid UKIP are a viable threat not a joke anymore. And I suspect climate change denial and more than a smidgen of creationism will ensue.
I had a quick look at the rest of that Index magazine and was appalled to see that, alongside real fights for democracy and free speech, it was against the banning of the pro rape Blurred Lines on university campuses. Not quite the same really tsk tsk. Particularly as no mention made of the feminist parody riposte defined lines being initially baned by you tube.
Plus wasn't sure about its take on Leveson. Surely the right not to have private calls to your dead daughter hacked means as much as free speech Magazine looks good but needs to understand grey areas.
jon_12091 wrote:At least across he border UKIP representatives were being asked to explain which 'barmy EU legislation' they wanted to stop/repeal, but none of them could actually name anything specific.
Hopefully UKIP MEP's will be too busy trying to abolish themselves to meddle elsewhere and I've also heard it said on the radio that they're seldom seen in the chamber...
I've actually done a fair amount of work as a political agent and note that, in effect, UKIP (in my area) was conspicuous by its absence from the hustings last week. No leaflets through the door, no activists on the streets, no party members at the election booths. Indeed, it had no candidates for local the local elections (at least in the 2 wards I dealt with). It looked to me to be the party of the old and the inarticulate. Nigel Farage may act like the average bloke in a pub but the pubs are empty these days.
A UKIP councillor has been suspended by his party over claims he made racist and homophobic comments on Facebook.
Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch Borough Council's Church Hill ward on Friday, now faces a disciplinary hearing.
It is alleged Mr Small called African migrants "scroungers" and Clare Balding and Sir Elton John "perverts" because of their sexualities.
Yer, that's why they come over as a bunch of amateurs. For what it is worth, no-one has explianed to me how EU regulations and laws can be ignored if the UK leaves the EU. See Norway; it has adopted the lot and pretty well rigourously enforces them. It gets no funding from the EU, pays through the nose into the EU budget and, of course, has no representation at all in Brussels or the EU parliament.
Worse still, one wonders how the UK can stop immigration from EU member states given that millions of British citizens live on the mainland of Europe; indeed, near on 10% of the population of the Republic of Ireland are British citizens.
The EU has consistently over the years been a low down on the list of issues that concern voters. The game they are playing is simply blaming everything on Rotten Jonny Foreigner.cathy wrote:
A lot of us are fairly ignorant of the issues surrounding Europe, mainly cos until UKIP started banging on about it, it was rarely on anyone's radar of things to get worked up about. It used to be bottom of polls on what was important, well below NHS, education etc. If there were a referendum tomorrow there would need to be a hell of a lot of explaining of what you've said.
cathy wrote:Maybe in Winchester but here in Redditch they had a huge presence. Until the last week they were the only leaflets I'd had and up until the end theirs were the only billboards. Tho one was set alight, which was heartening.
They aren't going after the educated, relatively comfy Southern vote, but they are winning with the intellectually challenged and those who are too lazy to think as well. Don't underestimate their appeal to the hard of thinking and the dispossessed and those for whom the recession hasn't really ended.
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