Is Bill Nye wise ????????

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Yet more fallout from Nye-Ham

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:55 pm

Now we have an AiG podcast (posted at the AiG facebook page) on 'Would Animals and Plants Found in Unexpected Places in the Fossil Record Change an Evolutionist's Mind?'

The obvious answer is that it would depend on what occurred in what 'unexpected' place ie the extent of the anomaly:
http://paulbraterman.wordpress.com/2014 ... nce-works/

And blow me down, now there's this:
http://creation.com/fossils-out-of-order

It starts with the usual drivel that evolution is unfalsifiable.

Then they flag a load of past CMI articles about trilobites, pollen, an extinct beaked bird, grass and early mammals. None of which falsify evolution, just what 'evolutionists' may once have assumed about past life over millions/billions of years (a LONG period of time). And as for YECs trying to claim that discoveries about - in this case - NON-flowering plants 'help' their claims:
http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2014/04/1 ... n-fossils/

The rest of CMI's case that fossils are 'no' problem for young Earth creationism? 'Living fossils'. (Except that the extant species are not always the same species as the fossils.) And the 'Cambrian explosion'.

"In fact, the more fossils we find, the more random the picture becomes". Are CMI trying to muddy the waters? Yes I believe so.

NOT random enough! Especially if like Ken Ham (and now apparently Bates and Cosner at CMI as well - though maybe not Sarfati) you insist that almost the whole fossil record results from a short-term but catastrophic worldwide flood with waters from both above and below covering the whole planet including the tops of hills. Rather recently. There is too much ORDER.

"Bill Nye actually did creationists a favour by inadvertently pointing out a major weak spot for evolution." No. All you can say is that there is stronger evidence for evolution from eg genetics, biogeography, speciation ... (The debate was not specifically about evolution and Nye was more concerned to demonstrate an ancient Earth and even more ancient universe as far as I recall.)
"In fact, the fossil record is evidence against Bill Nye’s position." BLATANT LIARS.

WHY would Nye talk about something it if was all of a sudden evidence AGAINST his position? I believe he consulted biologists and geologists when planning his presentations at the debate.

Thus the CMI article will only - probably - serve to confuse the Christian student. Not present REAL answers against evolution concerning the fossil record that would be recognised as such by those pesky unchristian professors who are mentioned.
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CMI - willingly ignorant, trying to keep others thus

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:12 pm

I TRIED to send the following to CMI via their website (they block my emails):

"I tried to send the following comment about the Bates-Cosner article but was told that my yearly 'quota' had been 'exceeded'. Ha Ha. Since you never publish my comments, nor refute them.
"The people making ignorant comments about this article will remain ignorant and anti-scientific if they listen to Creation Ministries International.
Please read my post here at 11.55 pm on 16 April and tell me HOW I am 'wrong' if I wrong and you are not misrepresenting reality.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3421&start=270"
It is unpleasant though sadly possibly biblical behaviour to accuse scientists who do not bow at the altar of the Bible when explaining the past of 'lying' or being 'wilfully ignorant'. The people who are wilfully ignorant are the people who trust CMI articles for accurate explanations and information about the fossil record and similar topics.
THIS being the CMI article I am partly commenting on:
http://creation.com/fossils-out-of-order"

THE REASON I POST IT HERE (I PLANNED NOT TO) IS THAT THE MESSAGE WILL NOT SEND. EITHER THERE IS A FAULT WITH THE CMI WEBSITE OR THEY ARE DELIBERATELY BLOCKING ME FROM COMMUNICATING WITH THEM ABOUT THEIR LATEST WEBSITE CLAIMS.


EDIT: http://creation.com/creation-tv?fileID=-c3yTfaf4Kw
The clueless twosome again. Claiming that if 'evolutionists' discovered human remains in a T Rex stomach they would not accept a Creator, they would instead say it was a case of 'time travel'. Yeah Right. (And that's just the first segment - I am about to suffer the rest.)

FURTHER EDIT: I now see that a standard acknowledgment email came through. So despite evidence to the contrary my message to CMI in the UK got through after all, though that does not indicate that it will necessarily be read.
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Right wing backlash against Bill Nye

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:35 am

"Scientist Bill Nye in a recent debate seen by 5+ million, wished for predictability, but science is about observing facts, not about predicting them."

That's possibly the stupidest comment I've read so far this week.

Who made it?

Dr Richard Ruhling MD:
http://drrichswier.com/2014/04/23/athei ... -creation/
http://richardruhling.com/

He's also PREDICTING civil war in America.

A RIGHT nutter if you ask me.
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Re: Is Bill Nye wise ????????

Postby Peter Henderson » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:53 pm

Dr. Robert Gentry, a nuclear physicist who believed in evolution until his discovery of pleochroic halos in granite offered irrefutable evidence against the evolutionary theory that this world exploded off the sun and cooled over eons.


That's even sillier.
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More Dr Richard Ruhling

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:21 pm

http://wakeupamericafortheend.com/Wakeu ... 102912.pdf
"Dr. Ruhling is President of Total Health, Inc, a non - profit organization that promotes a positive lifestyle as true healthcare in contrast to prescription drugs that have become the #1 cause of illness, disability and death."
He's not keen on Obamacare either.

http://www.prlog.org/12135849-dr-richar ... -2013.html
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The mentality of these people

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat May 03, 2014 9:36 pm

The fundamentalist Christians who produce the material at sites like Creation Ministries International, and even more so their vociferous supporters, have a particular mentality.

They are Serving God, they have the Truth, and they 'know' that their many enemies make up or side with 'phony' science that disproves that the opening chapters of Genesis could be a complete accurate literal history of the universe and our planet. In addition, should they attempt to refute the 'phony' science they will be 'persecuted' by people who 'know' that they are peddling Truth and not pseudo-scientific nonsense apologetics but are deliberately suppressing that 'knowledge' because they are angry at God so wish to discredit Christians.

So? Well those experts at CMI have produced a Bill Nye attack video. And of course those fundamentalist Christians who follow CMI are applauding uncritically. Applauding the content of the video? Well not really (so far). Merely applauding the fact that a video has been made. Either they have not watched it or they have but do not question anything in it because they have placed their trust in the CMI experts. But they are applauding that 'answers' have been given as requested in 1 Peter 3:15 and CMI will have earned some brownie points from Jesus simply for giving 'answers' and convincing some that Nye was peddling nonsense but has been 'refuted'.
http://creation.com/genesis-unleashed?f ... zZTLVmYSyU

Here is a flavour of some of the comments so far on the CMI facebook page:
"We need more of this. More creationists debunking Mr Nye's foolishness."
"What is truly amazing about this is that most CMI documents are actually old but still ring true today. Evolutionist have access to all the documents and can dispute them at any time but they do not. Why. because they are true to science and sound in theory."
"Bottom line they really hate God and are satans puppet!!"
"Mr. Nye is "resting on his laurels" as the saying goes. In fact he is afraid to face Ken Ham again. So instead he would rather hide behind the media's back and just point like a coward and antagonize from his tower. Well Mr. Nye, your tower is not impenetrable and God has a funny way of working things out."

For these people it is all about expressing contempt for non-Christians and people who reject Genesis as a text containing 'history'. It is not about whether what they believe can be backed up as being in any way factual and if so more factual than things put forward by Bill Nye in the February debate (findings from mainstream science not some fantasies dreamed up by Nye himself).

This is their mentality.

So is the CMI video any good? I will report back sometime later this evening after I have watched it.
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Bill Nye debate

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat May 03, 2014 11:11 pm

Unless you enjoy listening to these smug liars and their desperate attempts to discredit Bill Nye, I would not bother with this.

There's NOTHING new here. And nothing convincing on the detailed science arguments put forward by Nye (one or two other points from Nye were a bit questionable eg that a society that rejects evolution cannot come up with technological innovations), just one or two things which appear superficially convincing - if you don't think carefully about what is actually said or bother to investigate the topic fully (rather than simply reading one-sided CMI-produced materials).

They hark back to endless past CMI articles. Including a lengthy CMI post-debate article dated 6 February - on which I commented in part on this community forum thread when it first appeared (the main comment being at 5.05 pm UK time on 6 Feb).

What frauds these two are. Though they appear to love the Bible.
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Re: Is Bill Nye wise ????????

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat May 03, 2014 11:40 pm

So is the CMI video any good? I will report back sometime later this evening after I have watched it.


Maybe these two should've been debating Nye instead of Ham.
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Re: More Dr Richard Ruhling

Postby Brian Jordan » Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:http://wakeupamericafortheend.com/Wakeup_from_RR_102912.pdf
"Dr. Ruhling is President of Total Health, Inc, a non - profit organization that promotes a positive lifestyle as true healthcare in contrast to prescription drugs that have become the #1 cause of illness, disability and death."
He's not keen on Obamacare either.

http://www.prlog.org/12135849-dr-richar ... -2013.html
Say no more. I think we can dispense with the "nudge, nudge, wink, wink".
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Nye-Ham debate

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon May 05, 2014 4:30 pm

As flagged by one of those who has commented under Jonny Scaramanga shock blog post of 1 May:
http://lotharlorraine.wordpress.com/201 ... -bill-nye/
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Re: Nye-Ham debate

Postby Brian Jordan » Mon May 05, 2014 8:29 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:As flagged by one of those who has commented under Jonny Scaramanga shock blog post of 1 May:
http://lotharlorraine.wordpress.com/201 ... -bill-nye/
What shock post was that? Not here, as far as I can see.
As for lotharlorraine, as he says much water has gone under the bridge. While I agree with his conclusions, I think he'd have done better to keep his own water in the tap as it throws little new light on the debate.
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Re: Nye-Ham debate

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue May 06, 2014 12:53 am

Brian Jordan wrote:
a_haworthroberts wrote:As flagged by one of those who has commented under Jonny Scaramanga shock blog post of 1 May:
http://lotharlorraine.wordpress.com/201 ... -bill-nye/
What shock post was that? Not here, as far as I can see.
As for lotharlorraine, as he says much water has gone under the bridge. While I agree with his conclusions, I think he'd have done better to keep his own water in the tap as it throws little new light on the debate.



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Re: Nye-Ham debate

Postby Brian Jordan » Tue May 06, 2014 1:20 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:Available on a computer near you:
http://leavingfundamentalism.wordpress. ... the-bible/
Hardy earth-shattering. While the opening bit about sedimentation was undercutting the roots of a creationist fable, much of Dana Hunter's stuff that Jonny links to is really just chastising incompetent, probably unqualified, textbook authors.
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue May 06, 2014 7:05 pm

I did not think the Scaramanga post sufficiently shocking to flag it here originally. But I thought there was some 'shock' language in the title of his blog and in some of the Hunter comments.
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Re: Re

Postby Brian Jordan » Tue May 06, 2014 8:29 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:I did not think the Scaramanga post sufficiently shocking to flag it here originally. But I thought there was some 'shock' language in the title of his blog and in some of the Hunter comments.
Excuse me, Ashley - I'm feeling sufficiently disgruntled over off-topic matters to find a bit of "language" quite acceptable. The pair have, of course, cast a light on the ACE darkness. More power to their elbows.
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