Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

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Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Peter Henderson » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:23 pm

From Wing Nut Daily/ICR:

Two South African research scientists have documented a phenomenon that indicates a particular type of soil erosion might have taken place in a split second rather than eons, as mainstream scientists have believed.

The conclusion could upset widely accepted estimates for the age of the Earth.

The research by Professors Jasper Knight and Stefan Grab of the School of Geography, Archaeology and Environmental Studies at the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg has been published in the journal Geomorphology.

The scientists concluded that “lightning strikes causing rocks to explode have for the first time been shown to play a huge role in shaping mountain landscapes.”


From Brain Thomas of the ICR:

Brian Thomas, the science writer for the Institute for Creation Research, said the new research findings make “earth’s old age assignment even less credible.”

Most scientists long have estimated the earth is more than 4 billion years old, while many who believe the Genesis account of creation took place in a literal six days believe it’s only thousands of years old.

The finding that lightning can accomplish in a millisecond what previously was thought to take generations calls into question “old age assignments for earth’s land features,” Thomas wrote.

“How might this finding affect overall erosion rates estimated for entire continents? Geologists have studied erosion rates worldwide for decades. A 2011 meta study collated hundreds of data points, finding that land erodes on average at 40 feet every million years. At this rate, all continents reduce to sea level in only 50 million years – far too fast to accommodate the billion-year age assignments of so many exposed earth rocks,” he explained.


http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/phenomenon-t ... -of-earth/
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:32 pm

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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Peter Henderson » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:31 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:There's been more on fulgurites here:
http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2013/11/1 ... /#comments
and then here:
http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com ... -is-young/


Thanks Ashley.

Thomas' comments about erosion are just plain silly. Has he never heard of the term "mountain building" ?
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:22 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:
a_haworthroberts wrote:There's been more on fulgurites here:
http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2013/11/1 ... /#comments
and then here:
http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com ... -is-young/


Thanks Ashley.

Thomas' comments about erosion are just plain silly. Has he never heard of the term "mountain building" ?



He also confused erosion with weathering.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby marshall » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:04 pm

There is a whole lot of data besides lightning that cast doubt on an earth that is 4.54 billions years old. Dr. Sarfati at Creation Ministries International shows the flaws of radiometric dating and why the earth is about 6,000 years old: http://creation.com/how-old-is-the-earth

Men may doubt the Book of Genesis, but that doesn't make it any less true.

The historical evidence points to the biblical record being true as well. Virtually every culture has a worldwide flood myth and many of them are remarkably similar to the account given in the Bible.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:31 pm

marshall wrote:There is a whole lot of data besides lightning that cast doubt on an earth that is 4.54 billions years old. Dr. Sarfati at Creation Ministries International shows the flaws of radiometric dating and why the earth is about 6,000 years old: http://creation.com/how-old-is-the-earth

Men may doubt the Book of Genesis, but that doesn't make it any less true.

The historical evidence points to the biblical record being true as well. Virtually every culture has a worldwide flood myth and many of them are remarkably similar to the account given in the Bible.


Good grief! This is tired and utterly unoriginal fundamentalist boilerplate. It has long been ripped to shreds in excrutiating detail. It isn't even accepted theology.

It never fails to amaze when when a creationist drops into this group and starts repeating, ad nauseum, the same old tired hocus pocus we've been dealing with for years. They never seem to realise we've heard it all before.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby marshall » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:44 pm

Roger,

The acceptance of an idea by many people doesn't make it any more true or less true. Copernicus was in the minority.

Please address Safarti's material that I cited.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:55 pm

marshall wrote:Roger,

The acceptance of an idea by many people doesn't make it any more true or less true. Copernicus was in the minority.

Please address Safarti's material that I cited.


We've been through Sarfati's crapola dozens of times.

Darwin was in the minority in his day.

In the felids of evolutionary biology and geology, how many practising scientists are there in the UK who accept young earth creationism?

Name them.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Peter Henderson » Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:14 pm

There is a whole lot of data besides lightning that cast doubt on an earth that is 4.54 billions years old.

No there isn't.

Dr. Sarfati at Creation Ministries International shows the flaws of radiometric dating and why the earth is about 6,000 years old: http://creation.com/how-old-is-the-earth


Debunked over and over again.

Geologists were aware of deep time long before radiometric dating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQzmfcUKSFM
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Peter Henderson » Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:19 pm

Copernicus was in the minority.


Yes, but Copernicus had evidence. Young Earth creationists do not.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:08 pm



Yes, its astonishing how creationists keep repeating this rubbish about radiometeric dating, especially as one of the country's leading autorities on the acceptance of an old age of the earth is a member of this forum.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:09 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:
Copernicus was in the minority.


Yes, but Copernicus had evidence. Young Earth creationists do not.


Moreover Copernicus was not a Biblical literalist either.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Brian Jordan » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:35 pm

And earthquakes cast doubt on the age of the Turin shroud, allegedly. Interestingly, earthquakes have recently been suggested as attracting lightning. A double whammy to abiblical dating, eh? Scientists must be shaking in their quake-proof rubber boots.<yawn>
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Sorry Peter, I seem to have come in part way through this thread and missed your OP. I certainly does seem that lightening winkles creationist from their lairs, though. :twisted:
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Brian Jordan » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:49 pm

marshall wrote:Men may doubt the Book of Genesis, but that doesn't make it any less true.
So who were the "sons of God" who had it off with human women, according to Genesis 6? I take it you have evidence of the resulting giants? Or is there a convenient gap in the fossil record like the ones creationists claim refute evolution? <more yawns>
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:16 am

Marshall

You said we had not addressed or refuted Sarfati claims but all you did was post a link to an article that is about 15 years' old - not describe any specific claim.

Have you ever seriously questioned the claims of young earth creationists or have you simply taken them on faith either because the Bible hints that Earth is young or because you assume YECs have good science and everybody else has bad science?

This person, the author of this article and who has a science education background, used to be a YEC. Then he saw the light - I believe that he remains a Christian thus showing that abandonment of YEC dogma does not always an atheist/sceptic/agnostic/ex-Christian make. After all, many YEC claims go beyond the Bible - which does not present scientific hypotheses and which predates the international discipline of science which proceeds independently of religion and other dogma.
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2014/03 ... onist.html

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PS I thought I had made a post on this community forum recently where I had added a link to the same Epica Antarctic ice core chart that MacMillan features in his article - unfortunately I cannot currently track down the post in question (which was rebutting that old YEC chestnut of a single and very 'rapid' ice age after the claimed Noah's Flood from Genesis)...
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