Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Peter Henderson » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:02 pm

However, even Ham is not reading the bible in isolation Ashley. He's being influenced by Morris and whitcomb's "the Genesis flood", so he can hardly accuse others of adopting "man's ideas" and trying to fit them into the bible.

Since the bible says nothing about "millions of years" or the age of the Earth or universe, the age of both, according to scripture, is simply arbitrary
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Is Ham being hypocritical about science on Facebook

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Is Ham being hypocritical about science on Facebook

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:07 am

Judge for yourself:

"The Homeschooling movement is coming under attack.

Recently an article appeared in the Atlantic about certain Homeschoolers wanting what they called more ‘science’ in their textbooks. But sadly, by ‘science,’—they don’t mean observational science, they mean historical or origins science—and they mean the historical or origins science of the evolutionists and old earth beliefs. In other words, there are those in the Homeschool movement who want textbooks to promote the pagan religion of evolution and millions of years as true—which will ultimately lead kids away from the truth.

This week’s News to Note article on the AiG website will discuss the Atlantic article.

In this Christianity Today article (see link) about the Atlantic article, the writer states:

“CT reported how Creation Museum founder Ken Ham, a leading proponent of Young Earth Creationism through his Answers in Genesis curriculum, was disinvited from homeschooling conferences in 2011 for making 'unnecessary, ungodly, and mean-spirited' comments about Biologos's Peter Enns. The fact that Enns was even invited to speak at a homeschooling conference which upholds YEC was "significant" and suggests "a sign of greater openness in the future to more diverse Christian perspectives regarding creation-evolution issues…”.

Well if you want to know the truth about why I was disinvited from those conferences in 2011, read this article: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... onferences

The sad aspect that Christianity Today is not telling people is that what I did at that particular conference where Peter Enns spoke was is that I played two short video clips where Peter Enns gives a presentation where he totally rejects an historical Adam and historical Eve (and thus historic Fall)—and I gently but firmly warned people about what this academic really believes.

And the point I want to make again that we’ve made many times is that Christians accepting millions of years or evolution and millions of years is not a salvation issue, but it is a gospel issue and it is an authority issue.

A gospel issue because millions of years means sin is not the cause of death, disease, suffering or bloodshed. It means sin is not the cause of the groaning world in Romans 8:22. It means God’s responsible for death, disease and suffering—not man’s sin!

An authority issue because one does not get millions of years or evolution from God’s Word—such beliefs come from outside God’s Word and then are used by compromising Christians to undermine the truth of God’s Word and thus undermine its authority. We are losing the coming generations from the church—and the major reason is that these coming generations have been led to doubt and eventually not believe the Word of God. The devil has used the same method of Genesis 3:1—‘Did God Really Say.’

The devil is out to destroy the homeschool movement. If God’s people in the Homeschool movement do not stand on the authority of the Word of God beginning in Genesis, then the movement is doomed!

And don’t be lead astray when these compromisers use of the word ‘science.’ Remember, observational science that builds our technology is VERY different to historical science which involves beliefs about the past—beliefs about origins. The compromisers use the one word SCIENCE to intimidate people. Sadly many don’t understand how the compromisers are brainwashing them by not admitting they are mixing historical science (beliefs about origins) and observational science (empiricism that builds our technology) together and calling them both 'science.' It's a trick used by the secularists to intimidate and falsely indoctrinate people to believe that beliefs about origins are on a par with observational science that builds technology.

There is also a statement in the article that is meant as a positive one—but I see it as a WARNING:

“ Sonlight, one publisher which tries to straddle both young and old earth camps, notes how it conveys four views in its science curriculum.”

Homeschoolers certainly need to convey different views about origins and other issues in their teaching—but to do so in the context of teaching God’s Word as truth and compromising views as error! This is the philosophy of the AiG Homeschool curricula, and that of BJU Press and A Beka books.

The compromisers are trying to infiltrate the Homeschool movement--it is the devil's way of trying to undermine this great movement that was formed to raise up generations of kids to stand on the authority of the Word of God and be the salt and light that is needed in the culture. The Homeschooling movement is coming under attack. Recently an article appeared in the Atlantic about certain Homeschoolers wanting what they called more ‘science’ in their textbooks. But sadly, by ‘science,’—they don’t mean observational science, they mean historical or origins science—and they mean the historical or origins science of the evolutionists and old earth beliefs. In other words, there are those in the Homeschool movement who want textbooks to promote the pagan religion of evolution and millions of years—which will ultimately lead kids away from the truth.

This week’s News to Note article on the AiG website will discuss the Atlantic article.

In this Christianity Today article about the Atlantic article, the writer states:

“CT reported how Creation Museum founder Ken Ham, a leading proponent of Young Earth Creationism through his Answers in Genesis curriculum, was disinvited from homeschooling conferences in 2011 for making 'unnecessary, ungodly, and mean-spirited' comments about Biologos's Peter Enns. The fact that Enns was even invited to speak at a homeschooling conference which upholds YEC was "significant" and suggests "a sign of greater openness in the future to more diverse Christian perspectives regarding creation-evolution issues…”.

Well if you want to know the truth about why I was disinvited from those conferences in 2011, read this article: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... onferences

The sad aspect that Christianity Today is not telling people is that what I did at that particular conference where Peter Enns spoke was is that I played two short video clips where Peter Enns gives a presentation where he totally rejects an historical Adam and historical Eve—and I gently but firmly warned people about what this academic really believes.

And the point I want to make again that we’ve made many times is that Christians accepting millions of years or evolution and millions of years is not a salvation issue but it is a gospel issue and it is an authority issue.

A gospel issue because millions of years means sin is not the cause of death, disease, suffering or bloodshed. It means sin is not the cause of the groaning world in Romans 8:22. It means God’s responsible for death, disease and suffering—not man’s sin!

An authority issue because one does not get millions of years or evolution from God’s Word—it comes from outside God’s Word and then is used by compromising Christians to undermine the truth of God’s Word and thus undermine its authority. We are losing the coming generations from the church—and the major reason is that these coming generations have been led to doubt and eventually not believe the Word of God. The devil has used the same method of Genesis 3:1—‘Did God Really Say.’

The devil is out to destroy the homeschool movement. If God’s people in the Homeschool movement do not stand on the authority of the Word of God beginning in Genesis, then the movement is doomed!

And don’t be lead astray when these compromisers use the word ‘science.’ Remember, observational science that builds our technology is VERY different to historical science which involves beliefs about the past—beliefs about origins. The compromisers use the one word SCIENCE to intimidate people. Sadly many don’t understand how the compromisers are brainwashing them by not admitting they are mixing historical science (beliefs about origins) and observational science (empiricism that builds our technology) together!

There is also a statement in the article that is meant as a positive one—but I see it as a WARNING:

“ Sonlight, one publisher which tries to straddle both young and old earth camps, notes how it conveys four views in its science curriculum.”

Homeschoolers certainly need to convey different views about origins and other issues in their teaching—but to do so in the context of teaching God’s Word as truth and compromising views as error! This is the philosophy of the AiG Homeschool curricula, and that of BJU Press and A Beka books.

Compromise produces contaminated salt--which is good for nothing.

Homeschoolers--stand for the truth of God's Word and let your voice be heard!!"

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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:28 am

"this great movement that was formed to raise up generations of kids to stand on the authority of the Word of God and be the salt and light that is needed in the culture...".

Just as I thought - not education with one's peers but attempted private Christian fundamentalist indoctrination in the American home. Or at least that's what some who favour home schooling think its sole purpose should be.

Did Jesus support home schooling, including indoctrination? Come to think of it, whilst he taught at the temple while still young, there's no evidence I can see for him supporting proper education, so perhaps he would have been a home-schooler by default had he had children during his lifetime (hypothetical of course).

PS There seems to be some repetition in Ham's tirade, which I think I cut and pasted correctly.
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7 things older than Ken Ham's Universe

Postby Brian Jordan » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:23 pm

Might as well keep all the Ham in the same sandwich...
7 things that are older than Ken Ham’s universe
March 14, 2013 By Fred Clark 26 Comments

Young-earth creationists say that the universe is 6,000 years old. Scientists say the universe is around 14 billion years old.

Young-earth creationists say this is because scientists are part of a vast, nefarious conspiracy designed to cast doubt on the literal words of a literal Bible by the evil practice of measuring and counting things. I’m not a scientist, but I am part of this conspiracy (the only way to make such a conspiracy work is to include all sorts of non-scientists — doctors, manufacturers, engineers, teachers, librarians, journalists, hobbyists, etc.).
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/03/14/7-things-that-are-older-than-ken-hams-universe/
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Peter Henderson » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:59 pm

It's quite clear that God is a young Earth creationist:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... s-mar-2013

We also praise the Lord for the completion and submission of the manuscript for the technical book Grappling with the Chronology of the Flood, coedited by Dr. Snelling and Dr. Steven Boyd, professor of Old Testament and Hebrew at the Master’s College. The book reports on four years of research, discussing the linguistic and textual issues of the Hebrew account that are relevant to deciphering a coherent chronology of the Flood. It also addresses the implications for the geology, geophysics, and paleontology of the Flood. We ask you to pray now for the publication process to go smoothly so the book can be released by late spring.

Also, please pray for ongoing research and writing projects being undertaken by Dr. Danny Faulkner on various issues in astronomy and by Dr. Snelling on the radioisotope dating of meteorites and on several geologic case studies on radiohalos. Pray for Dr. Faulkner as he is also working on a new planetarium program
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:18 am

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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:02 am

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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:11 am

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21JVBBnOCJo
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Answers in Genesis and other dinosaurs

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:58 am

Message as sent to AiG via their website (this may also be of interest
http://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2012/11/0 ... saur-cell/):


http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... Mark_1_4_1

The book of Genesis does not contain science - as we now know.

Therefore Ken Ham has for years sought to indoctrinate children and
young people against science.

And here are the letters that your unattributed article dated 15 March
failed to link your readers to:
http://www.thenews.org/2013/02/28/lette ... 3-01-13-2/
http://www.thenews.org/2013/02/28/lette ... -03-01-13/

I thought AiG were interested in encouraging critical thinking about
scientific topics on the part of their supporters?

Yet you fail to link to, much less refute, the two latest letters of 1
March where (among other things) particular specific reasons are set
out as to why AiG's position on dinosaurs and humans is - as well as
adding to scripture - factually incorrect.

This message is also being emailed, and posted onto the UK-based BCSE
community forum.
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Ken Ham lying for Jesus

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:26 am

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... Ken+Ham%29

"... high school and college students today ... are prone to be very gullible, and ignorance abounds—they seem to have no clue that all dating methods are based on assumptions about the past...". LIAR

"At AiG, our scientists have conducted many thousands of hours of research, enabling them to teach other people how to think correctly about dating methods." LIAR
You teach them to REJECT all dating methods! Because none of them support your (straightforward) interpretation of the Bible, with its implied age of the Earth - and universe - both being around 6,000 years.

"Observational science confirms over and over that God’s Word is what it claims to be—the Word of the One who knows everything and who has always been there...". LIAR
Science shows us many significant things that the Bible writers know nothing about and never mention - supernovae, past ice age glaciations, fossils, electricity, continental drift, Earth's magnetic field ...
Science (whether observational or historical) does NOT confirm what we read about in the opening chapters of Genesis. The first woman was not formed from a man's rib. Death has always existed. The early Earth was not covered in water. There were never waters 'above' the sky. I could go on.

"The majority of dating methods actually contradict the billions of years for the supposed age of the universe." LIAR
Meteorites have been radiometrically dated in the billions of years. Other methods have dated younger objects - but still in the millions or many thousands of years.

Your position is untenable. It was already so before anybody at AiG was born.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:46 am

Secularists are getting angrier and angrier against those of us who believe the Bible. Our lead web article today shows how even a psychologist lost his cool (how ironic) about our ministry and engaged in some silly name-calling in the process. Read his remarkable rant at:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... ol-himself


However, what AiG teach is found nowhedre in scripture.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:20 pm

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... Ken+Ham%29

"Wow. So is the implication that biblical creationists don’t deal “honestly” with science? Actually, we’re very honest about science. We’re even willing to admit that there’s a difference between operational (observational) science and historical (origins) science, which is something that Kretschmer didn’t mention. Biblical creationists are not “defensive” about science."
LIAR, Mr Ham.

You ignore all my messages pointing out how your 'science' isn't science. All you care about is dogma.
Your teachings that 'Lucy' was a kind of knuckle-walking gorilla, that no dinosaurs have been found with feathers, that humans lived as contemporaries of dinosaurs, and that there was a rapid ice age around 4,000 years' ago are ALL utterly FALSE.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby Peter Henderson » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:21 pm

From CMI's Facebook page today:

From a biblical perspective, Neandertals were descendants of Adam and Eve. Their fossils are often found in caves, which is a logical place for nomadic hunters to bury their dead. (Unlike their tents, a cave reflects permanence, a place loc...alized by landmarks and somewhere one can go back to from time to time to visit the remains of friends and relatives, and possibly engage in religious ritual. Genesis records caves being used as burial sites.) [13]

Archive - October 2008


Bullshit.
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Re: Rabble rouser Ken Ham and his biased Facebook fans

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:25 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7mlEI0p ... e=youtu.be (one minute message)

It seems that Noah would have considered Ken Ham a primitive man.

Surely not. It takes intelligence to make young Earth creationism sound true to - admittedly rather daft - fans.
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